Unless you went through actually praying and accepting Jesus, you were never a Christian. Thats what I see alot. People say, "My parents took me to church and I sang and stuff. But then I stopped being a Chrisitan" Well obviously that person wasn't living anything right. If you accepted Jesus, then you are a christian, forever. But, the better you live: giving to charity, helping people, stuff like that. Then you'll be good off in heaven. Atleast thats the way the Bible Describes the proposed life of a Chrisitan.


And, too Cursed. Cancer is due to the crappy diets that people have had over the past 50-100 years. If a person doesn't eat their "veggies" their leg "usually" doesn't fall off as they are jogging. Health has been going downhill for the past century. And I don't think it's going to be coming back up anytime soon.

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I did pray and accept Jesus.

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Yet, you consider yourself not a Chrisitian. Sorry if you stated this before. But what was the real reason you felt... disconnected?

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Dude, it's not the Mafia, it's not like you can't un-accept Jesus. If you all of a sudden stop believing that he was the son of God, then it'd be hard to continue claiming you've accepted him as your savior because he would be unable to perform such a function seeing as how you would now view him as just a regular guy.


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If "it's" teaching us a lesson by not interfering, then who is that lesson going to be taught too once we're all dead?

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I dominate your face.

Note that Rebal said "he ALMOST souldn't interfere". That's the thing though; despite all of our sins, He still intervenes, because of His love for us.

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Just because I’m losing
Doesn’t mean I’m lost
Doesn’t mean I’ll stop
Doesn’t mean I would cross

What are you saying? That just because nature dictated that humans don't regenerate lost limbs, that prayer suddenly loses its effect? What difference does that make? God decides to not answer the prayers of someone who is wishing for something "abnormal"? You can't possibly make that call and stand behind it.

And what kind of logic is it that amputee's prayers "have yet to be answered" but cancer patients' prayers have ALREADY been answered? Cancer patients wish for no cancer, they get no cancer. Amputees SPECIFICALLY wish for their limb to be restored, and they don't get it. You're just making things up now.

Amputees do not get "free legs". Either you get a prosthetic or you're f*cked. Either way, it's sh*tty. And reattached limbs don't count because it was PEOPLE who did that. Not God. And if you want to go into that whole "no free will/God is the universe" thing, we can do that, but later.

Now YOU'RE limiting the debate. I don't recall a stipulation in the Bible that your prayers for health have to be within human medical boundaries or fall under the laws of evolution for your species.

Rebal, I can't talk with God. And I'm inclined to believe that none of us can. So it comes down to what YOU think God is doing, and me saying that we don't know.

The ENTIRE point of this debate is questioning why cancer patients actually get what they ask for and amputees have to just settle for something else, because that's completely illogical. That is the entire question, nothing more and nothing less.

And some cancer patients DON'T lose their organs. Some cancer patients get out without a hitch. You're nitpicking again, the frequency of full cancer survivors is totally irrelevant.

Because we're taking a group of people who have never, EVER once gotten a direct reply to their wishes...whereas, people claim that prayer works in places where there could have been a million influencing factors, like cancer or the economy, or winning a competition, or something. This is one instance where there are NO influencing factors. You cannot spontaneously generate a limb, so you ask God to do it. It's never happened.

The Christian mindset is "be happy you're alive and shutup".

Rebal, I already explained this. Cancer and a severed limb are both negative situations. Prayers apparently aleve people of their negative situation involving cancer...but have NEVER helped a person with their negative situation of losing a limb. Thus, one group gets to return to a positive situation, and one group has to just deal with having a negative situation for the rest of their lives. How is that fair?

And even regardless, are you going to tell me that there has not been ONE SINGLE CASE where getting a limb back would be God's idea of the best thing for a person? Not ONE case? If God works how you say he does, then the world would be a sh*tload more random.

Even so, are you telling me that if God wants you to have that leg, he'll make it so when you lose it, it's a clean cut and that you're five feet from a hospital...and if God DOESN'T want you to have that leg, he'll have you out in a minefield in Vietnam where your leg is blown to shreds with no hope of reattaching it? Are you saying God is f*cking with us and there's nothing we can do about it?

So basically, you're telling me that it's God's way, or the highway. Nice, loving God.

What if you just want your f*cking limb back? What if you don't want all this other "alternative" bullsh*t? That's total crap. I know if I lost my arm, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that would satisfy me until I got my (real) arm back. Nothing.

You have an answer, and I'm telling you that I don't accept that answer. And then, you're not accepting that I don't accept your answer.

Well, I just flat out don't agree with you. Because you have no basis with which to make that claim. And how exactly do you place a "value" on a lost limb? Like God knows exactly what will make up for that limb? And even then, why would he take your limb at all? Why couldn't he just leave you alone to be happy by yourself? Why does God feel the need to "teach us lessons"?

Yes, my point is either that God doesn't exist, or he does not answer our prayers.

Nitpicking!

"Direct" means people getting exactly what they asked for. Nothing different. They want cancer removed from their bodies, and that's what happened. Amputees have to settle for something else.

And again, who exactly decided that the scenario I just described was a "fair trade"?

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No, I just started to think. It's really that simple. When I was exposed to Christianity as a kid, I didn't do much thinking. Nobody does at that age. Hell, few people truly think at all during their entire lives. Once I started to think about it, I realized that faith is not enough for something to be true. I realized that Christianity doesn't make sense, and I realized that it's wrong to believe in something you don't understand. I recognized the feelings that I had experienced that seemed to indicate God's presence in my life for what they were. I understood that the only acceptable way to consider the truth of any proposition, religious or not, is to engage in an honest appraisal of the evidence and logical arguments. I did so with Christianity and came to the conclusion that it was no more valid than any other belief system.

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I understand where you're coming from, and I apologize if this sounds juvenile, but perhaps you fully didn't understand God or the Christian faith, which is why you thought it didn't make sense?

Go ahead and bash me, but that's something I thought I should ask.

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Just because I’m losing
Doesn’t mean I’m lost
Doesn’t mean I’ll stop
Doesn’t mean I would cross

That is what a lot of Christians say. I understood Christianity just fine, but I had no use for it. I guess I'm going to hell for throwing away something I never needed.