Ahh!

Spoken like the messiah himself?

What gives you the right to speak like you can dismiss our possibility to reason what is of God's will, yet somehow you can jump the premise and presume you already know what he wants us to do?

Pfftt.

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Nature, meaning the way God created and designed things to be done. Just because some animals behave that way doesn't mean it is right for human beings to do the same. Some animals eat their own children or kill each other. So, does that mean humans should do the same? Some animals eat their own dung. Should humans also do that?

God created Adam and Eve, man and woman, to be in marriage together and to start a family. The home is meant to be one man, one woman (the man's wife), and their children. That is God's way. Whether someone is born a homosexual or whether they simply choose it is beside the point. We are all born with a sin-nature, so we all have the tendency to sin because we human beings are a fallen race; we are depraved due to the consequences of Adam's rebellion against God. We are all capable of any sin from the moment of our birth into this world on forward. We could grow up and become a murderer, a thief, a fornicator, an adulterer, and of course all of us are liars because we all lie or have lied, and someone can grow up and become a homosexual because we all have the tendency to sin and we choose to give in to our sin-nature and do so.


We are all guilty and inexcusable before a holy God. God is against the homosexual lifestyle, and there is freedom from homosexuality, and that freedom is in Jesus Christ.



"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

-John 8:36

Homosexuality is a choice, really, because most homosexuals choose not to be liberated from it by placing their faith in Jesus Christ. Just like a drunkard who knows about Christ but chooses to continue in his sin of getting drunk with alchohol and not get saved from his sins; he chooses to reject Christ and not be set free from his sin because he loves his sin more than God.

Read NG's environment ethics. Humans are equal contributors to nature as much as animals. We're not a superior species, as least not ethically.

Are you talking interpretation or "what is." Specify more often.

Jesus christ man, above.


Than that should be a sure-fire reason to think Christianity sucks. Nice homophobic (as well as a swell of other things) God.

Quote:

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

No, dig your head out of your bible and look at reality.

Here, homosexuality is not a f..king choice. How is being homosexual in opposition of what is right, you don't know what right is.

Unfair analogy at the end, there is no inheritant/evil observed from being homosexual, appeal from ignorance.

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Not homosexuals only. I'm not trying to stereotype. Homosexuals as well as all of the rest of us have a sin-nature in us, but we choose to give in to it. We are sinners by conception and by choice as well. A homosexual chooses not to be liberated from homosexual behaviour by rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. I do know what right is, because the Bible, God's Word, tells me what is right and what is wrong.

...But you are.

Fine.

Okay.

False cause and effect. This is were you mix things up.

How does being a homosexual differ from accepting Jesus Christ?

If that were true, than God was creating inherent sinners of which could not change and accept Jesus because homosexuality is not a chosen orientation, it is inherent.

False witness and appeal to authority.

I would sure hope you could reason, understand, be a good person, and so on without God. If you can't, than you're weak.

But I'm sure that's not true, because we can all do the above, without any aid besides life at our hands at which we can learn and grow and become knowledgable.

You can't gain all that simply from reading a book and being told what to do.

A religious document to teach you right from wrong? Hah.

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I can't be a good person period, only God is good. I am wicked and unclean apart from Christ. When God sees me now that I know Christ as my Saviour, He does not see me, but His Son Jesus Christ instead. Jesus' account is perfect and clean, while mine was full of sins commited. It is not me that God looks at to let me into Heaven. I have nothing desirable for God and neither does any of us, sir, but it is His Son that He sees.

By being a homosexual, a person chooses to reject God's ways as shown in the Bible and therefore that person rejects the authority of Jesus Christ.

Oh will you stop attaching false pre-suppositions and be honest?

Talk about belittlement.

So what? The bible says so? Who says accepting Jesus is the only way? Appeal to tradition, ignorance, and authority.

You also dodged my refute, again. None of the above addressed what I said directly. What are you doing?

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Jesus said He is the only Way, that's Who, and I am being honest. I tell you no lie. God does not create people as sinners, to adress one of the things you brought up. God creates us, but we have a fallen nature inherit from Adam due to His rebellion against God. We have a sin-nature that gives us the tendency to sin. Homosexuality is a choice because homosexuals choose to give in to the sin-nature and commit lusts of the flesh and immorality, just like a fornicator or an adulterer does. Keep in mind that there can be demonic influence as well. Devils can cause people to have mental illnesses and such things. Who's to say that homosexuality is not one of those things that devils cause in people and enslave them with?


Yes, I appeal to authority. My Authority is the Lord Jesus Christ. I also appeal to God's traditions (the Bible's teachings), but not man's.

You are ignorant, appealing to authority is what it is, stop trying to concock a false intepretation of it.

Homosexuality is not a choice. What are you preaching for?

You do not know how to debate nor refute/address claims.

I suggest you completely read through the stickied pages at the top of this section.

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