Outside of time, we've already made all of our choices. God is outside of time, so he can see those choices, whereas we can't, being inside of time. So, it's possible for us to have made all of our choices with free will. Tell me if I need to explain that better.

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I've corrected you so many times on that.

As far as the topic goes, there've been many threads on this and I agree with Achilles.

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Christians and God don't hate gays. They dislike gays' actions. Although, some extremists may find it necessary to hate the actual people, even though in the Bible it says "Love thy Neighbor".

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It makes sense in theory -- which as I said we could develop. But having an idea and being able to comprehend it the same as we comprehend science is different. I know the theory, kinda, but the workings of it I do not.

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This is what I've always said when I argue with my mother.

"The only possible way that we can have free will is if we have already made all of our decisions."

She calls me crazy.

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Lammiespace.

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god didnt make gay people, god made people and people have the freedom to do whatever they like in their little life.

I am christain and gays/lesbains are the same as everyone else, they just like the same as what they have. They arent disgusting, vial and wrong, it is just different and i have no problem with them.

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Well, generally Christians would answer this by saying first off, he doesn't hate gay people

It's technically considered just another sin (although catholics don't believe a sin is a sin)

Just like you can be born with the tendancies to be an alcoholic more so than others, don't give a person the right to become one and be free from the sin of binge drinking.

I'm not arguing this from my personal opinions, I'm just telling you what my Christians would say.

We all have our struggles in life. Being born with the tendancies to be attracted to the same sex is just another one of them.

I'm not going to sit here and compare homosexuality to child molesters, but it's not like the child molesters aren't really attracted to the children. They are. Just another struggle. That's how most Christians view it.

By the way, I would ask that noone starts an argument with me. I am simply telling you guys how most Christians think. Doesn't necessarily mean I think it.

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Well God loves all people, or else it would just be the Jewish god who is supposedly angry at Humanity. If God created everyone with a purpose, and yet he hates gays, then God would be contradicting itself by assigning a purpose of hatred which is really just inefficient and wasteful of resources and just doesn't make sense.

Also we were created with free will, or else life would be meaningless.

Third, the bible was written by Man. Even if those men were influenced by God, it still means that God itself did not write the bible.

just some thoughts

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