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I don't know where you are getting that He is imperfect. G_d made perfect human beings. He created them with FREE WILL. Eve made a free and independent choice; a voluntary decision to eat the fruit. THAT DOES NOT MAKE GOD IMPERFECT. Perfection does not create Imperfection and vice versa.
Apparently, my point went over your head.

If this God you believe in says that the only things he can't do are "Lie and Die," then he is able to make mistakes.
That's not to mention that the entire Adam and Eve story is completely implausible.

And I'm a godless heathen, by the way.
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That is where free will comes in. G_d didn't make us as his little robots, doing what ever he tells us without thinking. Eve wanted to be like G_d, knowing good and bad. That is why she ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. She ate the fruit because she WANTED to. Yes, Adam and Eve were as perfect as G_d, but G_d says that he cannot do 2 things; Lie and Die. G_d is the very essence of perfection. No, there was no source of imperfection anywhere for there to be an imperfect action; FREE WILL. No, God did not create any imperfection. There is no way that a perfect being can create something imperfect. It just doesn't happen that way, no matter how much you argue against it.
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That is where free will comes in. G_d didn't make us as his little robots, doing what ever he tells us without thinking. Eve wanted to be like G_d, knowing good and bad. That is why she ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. She ate the fruit because she WANTED to. Yes, Adam and Eve were as perfect as G_d, but G_d says that he cannot do 2 things; Lie and Die. G_d is the very essence of perfection. No, there was no source of imperfection anywhere for there to be an imperfect action; FREE WILL. No, God did not create any imperfection. There is no way that a perfect being can create something imperfect. It just doesn't happen that way, no matter how much you argue against it.
I thought you might bring up free will. Let me go into that first.

What exactly is free will? Our choices are not random, but based on past experience and our own thoughts. Can an entity such as G_d have that in a timeless environment?

As far as our own free will, where does that come from? Surely it must be based in G_d, as our own existence. Otherwise, we are independent from G_d and exist as entirely seperate entities, which must communicate through a higher medium, essentially G_d's G_d, which gets us into the realm of further shenanigans.

If Eve wanted to be like G_d, it was G_d that created the desire, and the ability to decide to take the fruit was made through G_d. Either the action was perfect, and thus the sin was perfect, or the action was imperfect requiring an imperfect method for it's decision. The only thing I can see here to resolve that is how artificial the term 'perfect' is. And that just makes it meaningless.
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That is where free will comes in. G_d didn't make us as his little robots, doing what ever he tells us without thinking. Eve wanted to be like G_d, knowing good and bad. That is why she ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. She ate the fruit because she WANTED to. Yes, Adam and Eve were as perfect as G_d, but G_d says that he cannot do 2 things; Lie and Die. G_d is the very essence of perfection. No, there was no source of imperfection anywhere for there to be an imperfect action; FREE WILL. No, God did not create any imperfection. There is no way that a perfect being can create something imperfect. It just doesn't happen that way, no matter how much you argue against it.
But God is omniscient, i.e. infinitely knowing everything. If God is all-knowing, then he has knowledge of every choice we have made, are making, and will make in the future, correct? If God has this knowledge, do we really have free will, or is everything predetermined and we have no free will at all? God supposedly knows every decision we make before we even make them
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If god did not create imperfection, that something exists that god did not create, ergo, god is not what you claim it is.
 
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But God is omniscient, i.e. infinitely knowing everything. If God is all-knowing, then he has knowledge of every choice we have made, are making, and will make in the future, correct? If God has this knowledge, do we really have free will, or is everything predetermined and we have no free will at all? God supposedly knows every decision we make before we even make them

Having given us freedom of choice, he did not at the same time ‘determine from eternity whom he would save and whom he would damn,’ as believers in predestination assert. Freedom of choice precludes predestination. The Bible clearly shows that the choices we make will alter our destiny. For example, God appeals to wrongdoers, saying: “Turn back, please, every one from his bad way and from the badness of your dealings . . . that I may not cause calamity to you.” (Jeremiah 25:5, 6) This appeal would be pointless if God had already fixed each individual’s destiny. Moreover, God’s Word states: “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the person of Jehovah.” (Acts 3:19) Why would God ask people to repent and turn around if he knew beforehand that they could do absolutely nothing to change their destiny?
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Having given us freedom of choice, he did not at the same time ‘determine from eternity whom he would save and whom he would damn,’ as believers in predestination assert. Freedom of choice precludes predestination. The Bible clearly shows that the choices we make will alter our destiny. For example, God appeals to wrongdoers, saying: “Turn back, please, every one from his bad way and from the badness of your dealings . . . that I may not cause calamity to you.” (Jeremiah 25:5, 6) This appeal would be pointless if God had already fixed each individual’s destiny. Moreover, God’s Word states: “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, that seasons of refreshing may come from the person of Jehovah.” (Acts 3:19) Why would God ask people to repent and turn around if he knew beforehand that they could do absolutely nothing to change their destiny?
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Don't link to watchtower.org plz...

And quoting the Bible brings nothing factual to the table, especially because 1. God didn't write it and 2. It is almost certain that God doesn't exist.
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Apparently, my point went over your head.

If this God you believe in says that the only things he can't do are "Lie and Die," then he is able to make mistakes.
That's not to mention that the entire Adam and Eve story is completely implausible.

And I'm a godless heathen, by the way.
So trying to reason with you is just a waste of time, that's what I got from that sentence. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to make any rash judgments on anyone.
 
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Don't link to watchtower.org plz...

And quoting the Bible brings nothing factual to the table, especially because 1. God didn't write it and 2. It is almost certain that God doesn't exist.
May I ask why you think that God didn't write the Bible and why you think God doesn't exist?
 
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