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If G_d created human beings as perfect, there would be no way for them to become imperfect. If you've got a perfect computer, up until it's hard drive fails, it obviously wasn't quite perfect now, was it? Perfection is such an artificial term anyways. We've got no standard of comparison, and all meaningful uses of perfect are based on artificial constructs.

I dunno 'bout you, but living a lie seems pretty detestable to me... Surely you must at least be honest with yourself.
The reason that we are imperfect is because Adam & Eve sinned. As soon as they sinned, they were no longer perfect. Now, i don't know about you, but there is no way that imperfect humans can give birth to a perfect offspring. It just doesn't work that way. The only exception to that was the birth of Jesus, because God used his holy spirit to change the heavenly Jesus to an embryo. Mary never had sexual relations with anybody, so she never had anything to do with birthing Jesus. She was basically the "storage compartment" (lack of better words).

You are right, living a lie is detestable and is TOTALLY WRONG. I hope i have made sense to you, if not let me know.
 
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The reason that we are imperfect is because Adam & Eve sinned. As soon as they sinned, they were no longer perfect. Now, i don't know about you, but there is no way that imperfect humans can give birth to a perfect offspring. It just doesn't work that way. The only exception to that was the birth of Jesus, because God used his holy spirit to change the heavenly Jesus to an embryo. Mary never had sexual relations with anybody, so she never had anything to do with birthing Jesus. She was basically the "storage compartment" (lack of better words).

You are right, living a lie is detestable and is TOTALLY WRONG. I hope i have made sense to you, if not let me know.
You didn't really answer my question...
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yes i did.
Bah. If only I could control my precognition like that.

Once again, how does a perfect entity do something imperfect? If Adam and Eve were perfect until they sinned, then what's to stop G_d from doing the same thing. He's got the same perfect identifier there.

To have become imperfect, there's got to be a source of imperfection, and G_d must necessarily have created it.
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You didn't really answer my question...

Bah. If only I could control my precognition like that.
Lmao, that was perfect.
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Bah. If only I could control my precognition like that.

Once again, how does a perfect entity do something imperfect? If Adam and Eve were perfect until they sinned, then what's to stop G_d from doing the same thing. He's got the same perfect identifier there.

To have become imperfect, there's got to be a source of imperfection, and G_d must necessarily have created it.

That is where free will comes in. G_d didn't make us as his little robots, doing what ever he tells us without thinking. Eve wanted to be like G_d, knowing good and bad. That is why she ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. She ate the fruit because she WANTED to. Yes, Adam and Eve were as perfect as G_d, but G_d says that he cannot do 2 things; Lie and Die. G_d is the very essence of perfection. No, there was no source of imperfection anywhere for there to be an imperfect action; FREE WILL. No, God did not create any imperfection. There is no way that a perfect being can create something imperfect. It just doesn't happen that way, no matter how much you argue against it.
 
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Yes, Adam and Eve were as perfect as G_d, but G_d says that he cannot do 2 things; Lie and Die. G_d is the very essence of perfection.
Hmm, so he can make mistakes then. That means he isn't perfect...
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Hmm, so he can make mistakes then. That means he isn't perfect...
I don't know where you are getting that He is imperfect. G_d made perfect human beings. He created them with FREE WILL. Eve made a free and independent choice; a voluntary decision to eat the fruit. THAT DOES NOT MAKE GOD IMPERFECT. Perfection does not create Imperfection and vice versa.
 
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That is where free will comes in. G_d didn't make us as his little robots, doing what ever he tells us without thinking. Eve wanted to be like G_d, knowing good and bad. That is why she ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. She ate the fruit because she WANTED to. Yes, Adam and Eve were as perfect as G_d, but G_d says that he cannot do 2 things; Lie and Die. G_d is the very essence of perfection. No, there was no source of imperfection anywhere for there to be an imperfect action; FREE WILL. No, God did not create any imperfection. There is no way that a perfect being can create something imperfect. It just doesn't happen that way, no matter how much you argue against it.
I thought you might bring up free will. Let me go into that first.

What exactly is free will? Our choices are not random, but based on past experience and our own thoughts. Can an entity such as G_d have that in a timeless environment?

As far as our own free will, where does that come from? Surely it must be based in G_d, as our own existence. Otherwise, we are independent from G_d and exist as entirely seperate entities, which must communicate through a higher medium, essentially G_d's G_d, which gets us into the realm of further shenanigans.

If Eve wanted to be like G_d, it was G_d that created the desire, and the ability to decide to take the fruit was made through G_d. Either the action was perfect, and thus the sin was perfect, or the action was imperfect requiring an imperfect method for it's decision. The only thing I can see here to resolve that is how artificial the term 'perfect' is. And that just makes it meaningless.
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