There are better, less time wasting ways to prove your love and respect for your country then saying a pledge everyday. There are thousands of people that fight for our freedom, people that fight injustice through other, non-violent means, and people that try to genuinely help others. I am willing to bet that most if not all of them don't waste time saying the pledge everyday. Meanwhile, you have a bunch of kids saying it everyday and most of them don't even understand the concepts they are supposedly pledging themselves to.


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Are you jewish? I thought you said in another thread you were agnostic...

Anyways to the Pledge... it's required by law to say it in Indiana, as that one guy said. Our school is pretty lenient about whether or not you actually participate in reciting it. It's pretty much 'we'll do it and if you want to follow along go ahead' kind of thing. Oh well. It's not a big deal to me.

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Yeah... what's up with So Sick stealing Froggy's deal?

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Yeah, I agree, but the point was that it's disrespectful to choose not to say the pledge. If you have a choice, why go against your class and not say it anyway like everyone else? It's almost like saying you don't care about the time and thought put into making the pledge. It won't have any serious side effects, much less any side effects at all, so why hate the pledge?

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Umm...because it's NOT disrespectful to not do something we don't have to do. The reason we don't care about the thought put into the pledge, is because we never wanted it in the first place. And just because it wont give us any 'side effects', that isn't an effective reason to do something just because somebody told you to.

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Question authority.

First off, let me say that I am Atheist; I do not believe in a god, deity, whatever you want to call it; a higher being so to speak. Saying the Pledge completely with the "..One nation under god.." phrase goes against what I believe, and I choose not to say the Pledge, ever (unless, of course, it is changed, but that's unlikely). I stand for the Pledge, but that is to show respect to my country, to my flag and to the soldiers who do what they do for the country, and for a minimal amount of what your forefathers have believed.



That's odd, maybe Indianapolis Public Schools are different because I've been going to IPS my entire school life and in grade school they never made us say it, we just did because we were young, but they made us stand at least. In middle school, we never HAD to say it, but were still asked to stand. Then in high school, we were never made to say it, but asked to stand, and that was only my freshman year. My sophomore, junior and senior year, they didn't even do the Pledge anymore. So... there basically was no Pledge of Allegiance in high school for me...

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I believe that if you wish to say it, go ahead, and if you don't, don't, but I don't think anyone should be forcing the children and teens who live in America to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Forcing them to say the Pledge violates their rights as an America. If they're Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, or whatever, forcing them to recite the "Under god" phrase is wrong and against their freedom to choose their religion and follow as they should. (I'm done with the religious spiel, sorry about that).

So yea... I highly doubt I made any sense whatsoever in this post, but... meh.

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No one is forcing the pledge upon anyone. You have a choice, say it, or sit down and shut up. It takes all of 30 seconds everyday.

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You are absolutely f..ked when peer pressure is applied to you. By your logic there, how about this scenario:

Three of your classmates steal a car. Would you then steal a car as well, since it would be disrespectful to go against your classmates? The side effects of something aren't the reason you do it...the reason you do things is because you believe it is the correct thing to do.

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In my school they have a specific time to say the pledge every day, and if you want to, you can participate. No one is being forced to say it here.

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Since when do they say the pledge in public school. All the life at my other school (Catholic) K-8. We said the pledge everyday.

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