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Are you even going to make an effort to substantiate that claim? There isn't a shred of evidence suggesting an afterlife.
Agreed, I would love for there to be an afterlife and a god for everyone to look to for guidance and to look forward to when they die, but there isnt any evidence for either expcept peoples personal "revelations" which no one reallys knows if they are real or not.

Edit: and did i read from some of your posts that you guys hear voices? sounds a little crazy to me.
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Are you even going to make an effort to substantiate that claim? There isn't a shred of evidence suggesting an afterlife.
No I will not.
If you do not believe in God then I dont need to.
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No I will not.
If you do not believe in God then I dont need to.
Than you admit that faith is 100% fallible. Most children past the age of 6 won't accept something unless there is varifiable proof, you do realize that right? Yet, you are willing to accept something that not only has nothing pointing to it as being correct, but you've also got a mountain of information saying that Christianity was fabricated. Evidently, the concept of logic has completely escaped you.
 
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Than you admit that faith is 100% fallible. Most children past the age of 6 won't accept something unless there is varifiable proof, you do realize that right? Yet, you are willing to accept something that not only has nothing pointing to it as being correct, but you've also got a mountain of information saying that Christianity was fabricated. Evidently, the concept of logic has completely escaped you.
I have talked to God.
I need nothing more.
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I prayed for my Aunt when she was in the hospital gettin 1 whole and 1/2 of the other lung removed. Shes still aliove and breathin. That counts fo sho.
i prayed for my grandma to get better when she had lung cancer.

she died while i was praying.
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I have talked to God.
I need nothing more.

i dont get how you have 1 on 1 conversations with GOD. does he talk back? is he like ... a grandfatherly figure? i dont get it...
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Well...if you're anything like me....then you don't believe anything for it's face value. You look deeper. Maybe saving a sick aunt is all he needed....but for some of us...it takes more.

When I got those gifts "from santa"....I checked the signiture of "santa"...and realized that it was the same writing as the Easter Bunny's, and the same as my mom's. Interesting, huh?

See...when I said that first prayer...and God told me it would be answered, I wasn't completely convinced. I gave it a chance, and had some patience...and before I knew it...it was a gift 10 times greater than what I had originally imagined. That's one of the ways that you can tell it's God......because it's much more than you would ever even dream, even when he tells you what's going to happen.

Obviously...I don't expect you to be able to believe in the same revalations that I, or Iceat had. They are not yours. They prove nothing to you. In fact...you could probably just say that we made it up...and feel better. So why even bring it up?

That's part of the reason that I don't share it...and probably similar to why Iceat hasn't shared his. Cause those revalations were not the ones that were intended to win-over the universal population...they were small ways in which God revealed himself to individual humans in larger ways than they could have imagined. At least...that's how mine was, and I like to keep it that way.

So when I got that gift from God....I looked into it. Could it be mere coincidence? Who else could have signed for God? Could it have been the fact that I was just hoping for it to happen one night?
Well it could.......but the probability of such prayers being answered are about 11023897634076 to 1, because of the amount detail involved in my answer, and how convoluted everything was.

It's one thing if God says...."Hey...you're about to get a car." And then you go buy a car. But it's a completely different thing if God says "Hey Darth...you're about to purchase a really nice car. But hey...when you go there...they're going to be a little too pricy for you. All you gotta do is say 'I'll put $1150 down' and they'll knock $5000 off the cost. Just wait until he says the word "fire" before you make the offer."

^And then that happens. (No...that's not my prayer...lol. But it's a good analogy for one of my experiences...including the verbal flag.)

What are the probabilities of the existant Santa's handwriting to be the same as your mother's? What about the wrapping of the actual present? Do they both wrap all gifts alike? Bags vs. Boxes vs. Envelopes? All of it?
Would a man in a big red suit who rides a sleigh of flying reindeer be more likely to have given me that gift than my mother who works 40 hour weeks at the school's cafeteria, where she earns REAL money? Would some dude up at the North Pole actually have a checklist for all the things that I've done wrong...when my Mom is the one who CAUGHT me doing all those things wrong?

Well...considering I've used this thought process for as long as I can remember....I can tell you......I don't ever remember believing in Santa. Seriously...I don't even know if I ever did. I remember faking it one year, so I wouldn't spoil the possibility of getting some presents (thinking my parents would quit playing santa if I quit playing ignorant)....but I don't remember actually thinking that Santa brought me presents. I think the Easter Bunny was more believable for a while, just because he hid plastic eggs in kids houses, rather than dropping off hundreds of dollars worth of copywrite infringments from elves who don't have money (you think they could get away with GIVING away toys that were created by large corporations?). That is...until the easter bunny started bringing presents, then I was sure he was fake.

But to this day...I can not give an explination for any of my answers, or the discussions surrounding them, or the complete twist of how extremely impossible the odds of it happening "accidentally" are, except that God...who told me it would happen.....and it happened...followed through with his answer to my prayers.

I wish I could make him answer your prayer.
I wish I could make everyone believe.
But this life is not about how easy things come...or the crazy odds at which you experience revalations.........it's about spreading the love of God, and that's what I try to accomplish, ultimately.

Maybe those coincidences would be enough for you to be sucked in to whatever is being placed in front of you.......but it wouldn't convince me. I'd need some pretty hard evidence to be pushed in any direction other than that which I choose. Christianity was a tough choice for me at first...because I thought I was eliminating any other possibility of any other probability out there. But being the rational being that I am...I still think about other possibilities.

Knowing that my God will let me choose whatever path I want to choose...with his help or not...and that he has given to me overly and abundantly is what has convinced me that this is where I need to be, and this is what I should be doing/believing.

Not just some coinkidink.
You are correct, it is quite absurd to believe some guy on the North Pole has a list of who's good or bad, flies around with reindeer, and manages to deliver everyone's gifts in one night. By the same token, I find it equally absurd to believe that someone created the Earth like 4 and and half billion years ago and is still sticking around here to answer our prayers which, if there is an afterlife, are quite insignificant. Coincidence or not, the implication of your prayers actually being answered by God is enough for me to discard them as coincidences. I've heard countless "prayer" stories and everyone always says they are different. But I've also noticed that only people who are in the proper frame of mind have their prayers answered. Obviously you need to believe to get prayers answered because otherwise you wouldn't pray in the first place, but that's also kind of my point. You have no evidence that says it wasn't just a coincidence. "But it couldn't be JUST a coincidence." is the common response I hear. You know what response I don't ever hear? "It's NOT a coincidence, and I'll tell you why." I never hear that one. As I've said though, we all gotta do what we gotta do to get through life, I just hope that you aren't wasting time with what you are doing. An empty hope I imagine because clearly you don't think you are.


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I have talked to God.
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Or you talked to a stapler and his name is Earl.


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Or you talked to a stapler and his name is Earl.


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If Earl created the universe and everything in it, and sustains it, then I talked to earl, the stapler.

Either way, Earl (God) answered me.

Your point of using a stapler is not working...
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If Earl created the universe and everything in it, and sustains it, then I talked to earl, the stapler.

Either way, Earl (God) answered me.

Your point of using a stapler is not working...

I don't have a point, but why must everyone call him God, I am goind to start calling him Earl. Well, not Earl, but I am giving him a new name. I'll tell you all when I figure it out.


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