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Originally Posted by Cursed Lemon  Stop trying to associate yourself with Rebal. Rebal has stated many times that his purpose for believing in God is his personal revelation, which is the one thing that we can't take away from him. Rebal doesn't try to justify his beliefs with screwed up rationale and "evidence" from the Bible. Because I'm pretty certain that Rebal, and EVERYONE ELSE, knows that belief in God is faith alone. No great thinker has, no scientist has ever provided a real rationale/empirical evidence for God's existence, respectively. Either God talked to you or something, or you're just following the herd. |
Wow...how did I miss all this excitement???
First...I would like you guys to realize that Iceat is newer to the realm of discussion and debate (as you might have guessed)....and I would ask that before you guys decide to get as detailed about it as you do......you might just consider the fact that he's a believer in the same realm as me.
Maybe not the same
as me...but it's roughly the same perspective.
When God reveals himself to you...you can't deny it. You can look for ways...like I have/had...and sometimes (when I read your guys's posts) still do.......but once he's gotten ahold of you, you almost can't dismiss it, unless you drive yourself crazy with denial.
Lemon...yeah...I would almost guarantee that you would commit yourself if you heard him.
Because you can't get rid of it.
Maybe the "smarter" (definately EASIER) idea would have been for us to pretend we never heard him...and just go about our lives pretending that he never intervened, and that whatever DOES happen is coincidence.
But it just ain't that easy, and I'm sorry we don't always explain well enough to fit your standards. It's just something you gotta deal with.
As for Mr. Hulk, here.....I really get a kick out of almost all of your posts. They are well thought out...and they tear luke-warm believers of anything into pretty little shreds of confetti, because belief without evidence is blind. It's good, because we don't really have to deal with many religious nuts here, and personally...I enjoy that.
But the fact remains that you are just as clueless as we are, because you are no greater, nor your experiences any more definitive than ours (except that they are your own...and that is why we do not come to YOU trying to change your mind or how you think)...and even though many of your claims and arguments hold logical value...the idea of any type of God does not, so logic won't really help anyone, here. And when God isn't logical...it's not the easiest to try to explain to other people who aren't in your (Iceat/My) position.
So I'm just here to say that the majority of the time...I see you guys challenging what he thinks he saw/heard/felt...and it's pretty absurd to do so, because he doesn't challenge how your life has gone for the past decade or so. He's not criticizing you guys for not seeing the truth, no matter how many times it's presented itself to you....how can you guys criticize him for an experience that you weren't even there for?
You can't change the past...or the experiences you encounter.......no matter how many different, logical, deniable arguments you post.
I would recommend that you get to work on that "proof" that no God exists.
Cause we're going to need a lot to prove that our situations just happened to coincide with the impossible.
The only reason you don't get the words (I know he's there...and here's why) that you're looking for is because you don't want to hear them. People say that to you just about anytime that they defend themselves from your relentless logic-roast, but rather than try and take an understanding to it....you tend to get back on your own train of thought and how you perceive the world to be, rather than actually considering their explination.
So unless you guys start playing a little bit of give into this argument...and maybe even consider what we say...you might get a little bit more understanding where we're coming from.
But trying to boil it down to word definitions will pretty much lead to no-where, since interpretation is relative. Not to mention...a lot of you guys have an automatic trigger in your head that goes off as soon as someone mentions a single red-flag word (Jesus, God, Christian, Islam, Athiest, Agnostic, Bible, Einstein, etc.), and from there, all we hear is your planned speech to any Christian that crosses your path.
I can guarantee that discussions would be a lot more productive if the debates would actually allow there to be fair weight distributed amongst both arguments (as both Iceat and I have given weight to your guys' side of the argument, but since you don't give ours ANY...we have to stick to the fact that we have other experiences that you guys won't consider), and then discussion would take place from there.
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