You are in black, I am in red.

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I don't know if God caused any miracles, I only have testimonials from people who claim to have seen them.
( Darth, History is flawed then, History is based of off testimonials. )



Not that this is what happened, but trust me, if you imbibe enough substances not meant for consumption and you can write damn near anything. The existence of a book does not prove anything.
Read the Koran, and tell me what you tink of it after you read it.



That's fantastic that you live your life well, so do I. You are going to make money and enjoy life? I am too. Family? Knowledge? Me too. Where you lose me is with this truth business? What truth? How do you know that what's in front of is isn't the truth? It would be a sinister and cruel joke for some higher power to make us live through this existence and only reveal the presence of something more at the end of it. I understand that it's my choice to believe or not believe that that is the case. However, it seems to have as much plausibility as the existence of Santa Clause.

Look, we all know for a fact that sooner or later we are going to stop existing in this reality. Truth is to know and see, experience, what is next, even if it may be dust. Truth is truth.

Here is what I mean by what I meant.
Say I am living a great life and enjoying my family, I get cancer, and I know I will die within the next few years. During those years I will make sure my family is set for the rest of their time in this world and after that I will contemplate with rational thought.
" I know I am dying in the next hour, I have given and told my family evrything they need to survive well without me, I have only 1 hour left to see what happens after death! I simply cannot wait until I see!
The agony of waiting is hurting me..."

Then I die, and I see or experience what is to come after death without focusing on the small picture of just life.

We are all going to die, accept it and life shall be easier.

Thats my philosophy on that matter.

Believe what you want about your reasons, but there is no way, using the logic of Pascal's Wager, that you will convince me that you aren't religious for self serving reasons.
Who said an Omnipoten being created Man for the omnipotens benefit?

Its like a mother. I go to college becasue I know it will benefit me, though I also know it will please my mother.

Same with God, I believe becasue it will benfit me in the end if he does exist, and it will also please hime that I have believed.

A'm I making more sense know?
I fasted all day and was a bit dizzy during my earlier discussions.

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Here is a surah (passage) form the Koran.

Surah CIX: Page 352 in Volume 2 of the Koran interpreted:


So where now does it say I must convince you until I go black and blue?
It says I may try, and if not so, to you what you believe and to me what I believe.

Cursed, you are smart, pick up the Koran and read it please, before telling me what MY duty is.

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Wanna read the first post of this thread, please?

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Get to the point...

What about it.

You thought that was flawed?
Well I showed it it was not...

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You never answered my question. You went off on a spiritual tangent.

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Well, if you would like to call rationality spiritual then so be it.

Please, phrase your question to me again...

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All I can say is, if you believe then that's fine, but you have yet to convince me that your reasons are anything more than self-serving. I reference the quotation as the reason for my opinion.


TMNT

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The Dark Knight = God of movies

Yes it is self-serving, but then again it is called CYA (Cover Your Ass).

Look lol, if you dont want to CYA yourself, then that is foolish, but to each his own foolishness.

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You haven't provided an ounce of rationality in this debate that doesn't deal in faith.

Since no religion has any concrete backing whatsoever, I want to know why Islam is sooo much better than the others. I'm pretty sure Christians get the same "fufillment" out of their religion as you do yours...so don't bullsh.t me.

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I'd like to know what you think of terrorists that use religion to recruit other Muslims for terrorist acts toward other Muslims wich has been going on for over 20 years in the Arab countries. Do the Islamic people not notice this is going on? Also, why are people of the Islamic faith so strict on praying? They have a full setup, a rug(I don't know if that's the correct term or not)to pray on, they do it many times a day, what's the deal?

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