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I don't like being condescended to. Please do not attempt to debate with me until you stop spewing spiritual drivel and start dealing in logic.
Haha, whats your logic? Huh Lemon?

If I see it, it's real, then good for you.

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Im asking, what do you want?

You want answers read everything from astromy to tabloids...
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Haha, whats your logic? Huh Lemon?

If I see it its real, then good for you.

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Im asking, what do you want?

You want answers read everything from astromy to tabloids...
I believe the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. I have made absolutely no claims...I'm here to refute YOURS. Your job is to convince me. So far all you've managed to do is piss me off.
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I believe the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. I have made absolutely no claims...I'm here to refute YOURS. Your job is to convince me. So far all you've managed to do is piss me off.
Ah, I see.

Here is my cliam./question.

How does it harm to believe in God?

Let me rephrase, How am I harmed by believing in God.
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Ah, I see.

Here is my cliam.

How does it harm to believe in God?
Well here's a counter-question for you, which you also failed to answer earlier.

Are you really having "faith" if you choose religion for self-interest?
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Well here's a question for you, which you also failed to answer earlier.

Are you really having "faith" if you choose religion for self-interest?
Im am choosing religion for many reasons Cursed.

I have faith that my unanswered questions will be answered and fulfilled by God if I do as God says.
I have faith to satisfy God, to show him I appreciate the fact he will tell us everything, and to better myself.

Just like I have faith that if I do as my mother says;
(Go to college and you will have a greater chance of being secure than if you dont). I will have better chances and more answers:

I go to college to satisfy her, to see whats its all about, and to learn more.
It is not hurting me to go to college.
As its not hurting me to go and believe in God.
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Im am choosing religion for many reasons Cursed.

I have faith that my unanswered questions will be answered and fulfilled by God if I do as God says.

Just like I have faith that if I do as my mother says;
(Go to college and you will have a greater chance of being secure than if you dont). I will have better chances and more answers:

I go to college to satisfy her, to see whats its all about, and to learn more.
It is not hurting me to go to college.
Do you believe that because your mother says so, or do you believe it because it is blatantly obvious that going to college helps you in life? If your mother said "if you go to college, you'll end up a bum on the streets", would you believe her?
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Do you believe that because your mother says so, or do you believe it because it is blatantly obvious that going to college helps you in life? If your mother said "if you go to college, you'll end up a bum on the streets", would you believe her?
READ THE WHOLE THING, Then I will answer your question simply.

My grandparents raised my mom like follows:

From birth they told her not to believe in all the phony bolony about God and to be smart and enjoy life.

She grew up knowing prolly as much as you know about religion and questioning it and reasoning it as much as possible, till this day me and her have hour long discussion about why God would create us and this and that. We dont blindy follow Cursed, I am different than your everyday religious guy.

My mother then proceeded to put herself through college and eventually Law school. She was not dumb about religion she knew all about religion but still wasnt convinced. She then met my father who was Muslim and knew all abuot Islam.

My mother then went and analized the Koran like it was a court case worth one-billion dollars, she tried to find everything in her power wrong with it, but only a few nitty gritty details in this age of her life remain as nail-biting questions, that remain unanswered to her.

She doesnt like rituals and thinks they can be primtal, though she prays to god 5 times a day in her head and simple says that she acknowedges there is a God, but reasons for anything else is beyond being ansered on Earth.

Point of the story is this.

Dont bombard me with this and that, I personally think religion has been altered by man to a point of no return, besides the fact their is a god and we must act morally.

My way of life is this, I pray like my mother 5 times a day. Recently I started doing the traditional Islamic prayer to try it. I am also Fasting this month to try it. It is not killing me or harming my intellec or quesitoning in any way.
I act good and do good things, I save myself for marraige cuz I have controlled my animalistic desire to have sex with everything with a hole.

I mean, cursed, where are you getting at, that religion is flawed because common sense says so?
Then so be it fo you, we are both walls talking to eacher and asking each other to each near one another, yet we are both cemented to the other side of the world.

This is sorta a rantful post and I didnt really have much direction in it, but make of it what you will.

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READ THE WHOLE THING, Then I will answer your question simply.

My grandparents raised my mom like follows:

From birth they told her not to believe in all the phony bolony about God and to be smart and enjoy life.

She grew up knowing prolly as much as you know about religion and questioning it and reasoning it as much as possible, till this day me and her have hour long discussion about why God would create us and this and that. We dont blindy follow Cursed, I am different than your everyday religious guy.

My mother then proceeded to put herself through college and eventually Law school. She was not dumb about religion she knew all about religion but still wasnt convinced. She then met my father who was Muslim and knew all abuot Islam.

My mother then went and analized the Koran like it was a court case worth one-billion dollars, she tried to find everything in her power wrong with it, but only a few nitty gritty details in this age of her life remain as nail-biting questions, that remain unanswered to her.

She doesnt like rituals and thinks they can be primtal, though she prays to god 5 times a day in her head and simple says that she acknowedges there is a God, but reasons for anything else is beyond being ansered on Earth.

Point of the story is this.

Dont bombard me with this and that, I personally think religion has been altered by man to a point of no return, besides the fact their is a god and we must act morally.

My way of life is this, I pray like my mother 5 times a day. Recently I started doing the traditional Islamic prayer to try it. I am also Fasting this month to try it. It is not killing me or harming my intellec or quesitoning in any way.
I act good and do good things, I save myself for marraige cuz I have controlled my animalistic desire to have sex with everything with a hole.

I mean, cursed, where are you getting at, that religion is flawed because common sense says so?
Then so be it fo you, we are both walls talking to eacher and asking each other to each near one another, yet we are both cemented to the other side of the world.

This is sorta a rantful post and I didnt really have much direction in it, but make of it what you will.

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Yes I would, but I would later find it was good for me.
If your mother would take a long hard look at the Bible, she'd see that there's nothing "wrong" with it either. There can't be anything "wrong" with a claim that has no backing. Because it all falls back to that glorious piece of sh*t philosophy we call "faith". I think your mother has other reasons for believing in Islam, that I really don't feel like discussing because I just don't care.

And stop...STOP talking about "acting morally". If you really looked at things objectively, you would never, ever say that. It practically insults me when people say that.
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Ramadan has begun, and this is usaually a time when Mulsims would be considered to be spiritaully 'searching', including fasting. How are you approaching Ramadan?
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Ah, I see.

Here is my cliam./question.

How does it harm to believe in God?

Let me rephrase, How am I harmed by believing in God.

I wouldn't be harmed if I stood up right now and did a little dance, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.



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