I gave you the passage where you can interpret it for yourself.
Do so.

I said to just dress decently, do you know what that means?
To not be a slut, you know what that means right?

I agree with you BTW about choosing to cover if you so interpret it that way from the passage.

Lets look at something here.

There is a slut and a decently dressed woman standing on the the corner, they are apart, and it does not look they know each other. They are waiting to cross the street. All of a sudden a car comes up and takes one of the girls.. which one do you think it would be.

No.

Culture is the single most corrupting factor to religion.

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That is not verbally or physically attacking you or your children.

You're honestly telling me that you wouldn't have my children convert to Islam if you were given the choice?

Christianity without the Trinity? You can't believe in Christianity without believing in the Trinity. You're not accepting Christianity if you pick and choose certain parts of its doctrine. You're claiming to accept multiple belief systems that are all mutually exclusive. You are such a mess of contradictions, I don't know how you're still alive.

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Yes it is, I do not want your one sided belief spread onto my children. AFTER and ONLY AFTER, I have raised my children and taught them what I know about all the religions and why there is the possiblilty for God, and why he would have created us. You may spread your belief if you were given the chance. Once I have taught my children what I feel is right, and they are on their own, you may say to them anythign you wish.

I might try to convert them, but if they don't want to, then they do not want to...


My poiny exactly. I am a peaceful guy, I hate conflict and I hate stupidity of culture.

I also hate Imperialism.

Everyone should believe how they so desire AS LONG AS it does not Impinge on others.

There is no problem with me taking bits and peices of each religion and making my judgments on them and then following my own self made belief system.

For my kids, I would raise them and tell them all i could, though int he end it is THEIR chose whether they want to listen to me, or do otherwise, I would not be mad at them.

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expanding on what the colostomizer said, do you believe that apostasy is the greatest crime a person can commit? the hadith says, "Whosoever changes his religion: kill him", so i suppose you must believe that people should be killed for converting away from islam? if not you aren't following islam, you're picking and choosing which bits you like and which you don't, how is that following a religion? would you say that the fact that people are killed for not being muslim because the hadith says so is a cultural thing?

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lol thats ridiculous everything they do is in the name of allah and the betterment of the muslim religion. maybe they don't go about it in the right way, but i think its safe to say they are more muslim than atheist.

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Apostasy, nice word lol. Im glad you know a lil about a lil.
Mentioning the Hadith too, thanks for bringning that up so I can destroy it pretty much.

Here goes:

the hadith says, "Whosoever changes his religion: kill him",

Yes it does.

so i suppose you must believe that people should be killed for converting away from islam

Never assume anything with me, I am different.
No, If they so choose not to believe then let them.
THOUGH, if they choose not to believe and threaten to KILL me if I believe, then that muthaF**Ka is gonna die.

if not you aren't following islam, you're picking and choosing which bits you like and which you don't, how is that following a religion

I believe every religion has its own sort of corruption and I believe that killing people if they turn away is a way of control... I do not like that.
Therefore I do not believe that.

would you say that the fact that people are killed for not being muslim because the hadith says so is a cultural thing?

I would of course, yes.
It is a means of controlling people. If they don't believe then you cant control them, so kill them.

Well IMO, if they don't believe and they leave you alone, then leave them them the F**K alone.

These are just some of what I believe.

Please, I would like you to bring up more Hadith (Which is BTW not the Qu'ran, it is a book that defines the "UNDEVINE" prophets life. I have my own life, thanks prophet for giving me the message of God, but I will make of it what I will, but thanks, I appreciate it a lot. I do not need how you conducted your life as a role model for how I should conduct mine, merely because God used your mouth to give the rest of the world his message...) That is my beliefs again.

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If you want to believe it that way then do so, I believe otherwise.

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One sided? Agnosticism doesn't have a side; it holds that you should never limit yourself to any one side without proof. And it isn't "attacking" to spread a one sided belief. And if it was, you'd be attacking your kids.

I fail to see how that had anything to do with what you quoted me saying.

Depending on which bits you take from where, there could be a very serious problem.

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Choosing to believe only if there is proof is choosing not to believe.
Once I teach my children what I want to, you can show them more if you want, but I want to raise them thinking they can go out and find out more if they want, or they can feel content with what knowledge I gave them and live a normal life without questioning themselves. It is entirely up to them.

My children are MINE until they so choose that they seek more, usually when they are in their teens. I will allow it, but I WILL talk to them about what they are learning and I will debate with them about it and see it their way and show them my way, then I let them choose.

You have no idea how I will raise my kids, so don't start with me.

You can show my kids agnostism ALL you want, but only after I have shown them what I want, why? Becasue they are mine not yours.


I understand that, that is why I use my better judgement on the matter.

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Your "better judgement" is not serving you very well.

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