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A have you the like.
Does it not make sense to you that you can't use rationality to come to an irrational conclusion?
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I am talking to bricks.

This "A have you the like." is not communicating any information whatsoever because it is devoid of grammatical structure, so maybe that is part of the problem. You also haven't answered my last post yet.


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Most people here Debate Christianity, well, instead I would like to debate Islam.

To start, lets have someone ask me a question that they think is flawed or unanswered in Islam, and I will respond.

It just so happens that the Koran has all the answers your looking for, and after all, algebra was created by Muslims in Spain for the purpose of proving the Koran correct, astrology and all other claims made by the Koran have been true thus far aswell.

Ok, most of the ideas from Islam are taken from Christianity. Muslims "believe" in a man (Muhammad) who had 13 wifes, one who was 7 then he divorced her when she was 13, then at times he thought was possesed, fought in over 66 wars and was extremly violent at times. People say that Islam is a peacful religon, its not. If the people would actually read their own Holy Book they would know that the Koran says the only guranteed way to get into Heaven is to kill a non-islamic person. What kind of religon teaches people to force their believes on them or kill them? One other thing, the Muslims are playing right into the hands of the Christians because it says that in the Bible the decendents of Ismial will be hatefull and out of control, the muslims claim their are the decendents of Ismial so go figure. If it is any religon that America should be worrying about, its Islam.
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This isn't necessarily true. Our civilization is advanced enough where we don't have to contemplate those questions in order to lead productive, fulfilling lives and contribute to the well-being of society. I'll keep reading the article when you answer why this these questions must be "inevitably" answered.


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Tell me who has not asked it or thought it to themselves and I will agree that it's wrong.

The quote says, "Every man inevitably has to face and answer the following questions in relation to his existence - ‘Why am I here?’ ‘Who put me here?’ and ‘How did I get here?" I am saying that this is false. Just because I don't answer that those questions does not mean I "will wander through life aimlessly without any reference point or criteria for his actions and decisions." It's false because we as a civilization are sufficiently advanced enough to where we can focus on the issues of ordinary life without contemplating the meaning of our existence. I am aware that many do ask themselves these questions, and they are intriguing questions to ask. However it is unnecessary to answer them in any definite terms in order to lead a satisfying and productive life that deems one worthy of entering any sort of "paradise" that there may be in the afterlife.


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Ok, most of the ideas from Islam are taken from Christianity. Muslims "believe" in a man (Muhammad) who had 13 wifes, one who was 7 then he divorced her when she was 13, then at times he thought was possesed, fought in over 66 wars and was extremly violent at times. People say that Islam is a peacful religon, its not. If the people would actually read their own Holy Book they would know that the Koran says the only guranteed way to get into Heaven is to kill a non-islamic person. What kind of religon teaches people to force their believes on them or kill them? One other thing, the Muslims are playing right into the hands of the Christians because it says that in the Bible the decendents of Ismial will be hatefull and out of control, the muslims claim their are the decendents of Ismial so go figure. If it is any religon that America should be worrying about, its Islam.
I am honestly tired right now, and I don't want to write an essay.

So here is MY veiw.

Nobody said we must follow the Holy Text in exact.
We are suppose to have our doubts and our own minds, then come to our own conclusions. Not be slaves to what we are told without question.

Tell me how well have you quesitoned your linear following of the Bible?
I doubt it was very well.

Enough, or must you insist that your God, which is my God, told us different things in order for us to us to to not think and follow what ever is brought to us at birth?

I think we are suppose to take all the messages of God and mkae our own formal understanding of what the hell our belief truely is and realize how it is benefiting us. Those who, aren't true "believers".

Im tired, and the above is sloppy, but I think it gets my point out there.

Look at everything as a whole, and not only in detail. Then when you see the whole, you can take the little detial you know, and fill in the blanks using the whole picture you have come to, then form your belief.
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The quote says, "Every man inevitably has to face and answer the following questions in relation to his existence - ‘Why am I here?’ ‘Who put me here?’ and ‘How did I get here?" I am saying that this is false. Just because I don't answer that those questions does not mean I "will wander through life aimlessly without any reference point or criteria for his actions and decisions." It's false because we as a civilization are sufficiently advanced enough to where we can focus on the issues of ordinary life without contemplating the meaning of our existence. I am aware that many do ask themselves these questions, and they are intriguing questions to ask. However it is unnecessary to answer them in any definite terms in order to lead a satisfying and productive life that deems one worthy of entering any sort of "paradise" that there may be in the afterlife.


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Go ask an old man what life means to him, most likely he will not say he doesnt have time for this nonesense like most teenagers will.

He is about to die, something new is to come, he must prepare.

Nobody said people face those above questions when they are young, life is around 100 years, The questions may be still yet to come, no matter how well developed a society is.
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I am honestly tired right now, and I don't want to write an essay.

So here is MY veiw.

Nobody said we must follow the Holy Text in exact.
We are suppose to have our doubts and our own minds, then come to our own conclusions. Not be slaves to what we are told without question.

Tell me how well have you quesitoned your linear following of the Bible?
I doubt it was very well.

Enough, or must you insist that your God, which is my God, told us different things in order for us to us to to not think and follow what ever is brought to us at birth?

I think we are suppose to take all the messages of God and mkae our own formal understanding of what the hell our belief truely is and realize how it is benefiting us. Those who, aren't true "believers".

Im tired, and the above is sloppy, but I think it gets my point out there.

Look at everything as a whole, and not only in detail. Then when you see the whole, you can take the little detial you know, and fill in the blanks using the whole picture you have come to, then form your belief.
Thats not what I am getting at. Islam does not have the same God as Christianity. Also most of what your religon says is directly taken from the Bible which was written way before the Koran was so the more you prove Islam the more you prove Christianty.
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Go ask an old man what life means to him, most likely he will not say he doesnt have time for this nonesense like most teenagers will.

He is about to die, something new is to come, he must prepare.

Nobody said people face those above questions when they are young, life is around 100 years, The questions may be still yet to come, no matter how well developed a society is.

So are you still preparing an answer to what I said.......or what? Cause that isn't an answer to what I said in any way. Why would I ask an old man, or anyone for that matter, what life means to him? That wasn't one of the questions in the quote that I took from that link you posted. So what the hell does that even have to do with anything?


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