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He means that belief systems are incredibly complicated and that even if you hold Pascal's logic to be true, it takes more than believing his logic to change your beliefs. You can't just say "I believe in God" and all of sudden, BAM!, you believe in him. It takes a deeper transformation than that. One that logic alone will not provide you with.


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Also, I would Love to know, why Pascals theory is a fallacy.
Among other things -

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Pascal's Wager suffers from the logical fallacy of the false dichotomy, relying on the assumption that the only possibilities are:
  1. the Christian God exists and punishes or rewards as stated in Christian theology, or
  2. God does not exist.
The wager does not account for the possibility that there is a God (or gods) who, rather than behaving as stated in certain parts of the Bible, instead rewards skepticism and punishes blind faith, or rewards honest reasoning and punishes feigned faith, or does not punish belief or disbelief at all.
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He means that belief systems are incredibly complicated and that even if you hold Pascal's logic to be true, it takes more than believing his logic to change your beliefs. You can't just say "I believe in God" and all of sudden, BAM!, you believe in him. It takes a deeper transformation than that. One that logic alone will not provide you with.


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Duh.

Why must everyone think I am basing it on one damn thing?

Belief in something comes from realistic rationality.

I will explain in my soon to be finished tetimony.

--- Cursed, there is no hope, your right. to tell me being agnostic is better than being muslim is a fallacy in itself.

---Colust, if god wanted you to be skeptical, he would have sent down a contradictory message.
Though its not. We did not make the universe, the universe did not make itself, God is not something we can fathom. He is no object, he is nothing we can sense with our 5 senses.
A creator is more the raw essence of everything, without it, we are nothing.

I don't have time now to freaking write the essay you are looking to skim read. Rather my answer will Be in my testimony.
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Duh.

Why must everyone think I am basing it on one damn thing?

Belief in something comes from realistic rationality.

I will explain in my soon to be finished tetimony.

--- Cursed, there is no hope, your right. to tell me being agnostic is better than being muslim is a fallacy in itself.

---Colust, if god wanted you to be skeptical, he would have sent down a contradictory message.
Though its not. We did not make the universe, the universe did not make itself, God is not something we can fathom. He is no object, he is nothing we can sense with our 5 senses.
A creator is more the raw essence of everything, without it, we are nothing.

I don't have time now to freaking write the essay you are looking to skim read. Rather my answer will Be in my testimony.

How about you maked this "testimony" instead of coming back a bunch of times with loads of non-answers.


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How about you maked this "testimony" instead of coming back a bunch of times with loads of non-answers.


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Duh.

Why must everyone think I am basing it on one damn thing?

Belief in something comes from realistic rationality.
Of which you have demonstrated none.
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Of which you have demonstrated none.
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A have you the like.

It's not up to him to provide rationality because he asked YOU the question. So until you can answer his questions or comment on points he's made with some sort of coherence, he doesn't have any burden in this discussion.

Also, you should probably retype that because it really doesn't make sense.

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Every man inevitably has to face and answer the following questions in relation to his existence - ‘Why am I here?’ ‘Who put me here?’ and ‘How did I get here?’

This isn't necessarily true. Our civilization is advanced enough where we don't have to contemplate those questions in order to lead productive, fulfilling lives and contribute to the well-being of society. I'll keep reading the article when you answer why this these questions must be "inevitably" answered.


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