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Look at myself, Bishop, or even Achilles..........and cleetus
(^Is it proper to quote yourself, or just restate what you've said previously?)
Lol...I guess you missed the day where we sat around the campfire singing hymns about humility and modesty. You know...where they plugged those things into the backs of our heads and played that weird sleepy music...

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I was behind the cabin with those twin blondes corrupting their fragile little minds. . .

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OOOoooh...you were the ones behind Cabin 4C!!!

Me and mine were behind 3D! (I knew we weren't making ALL that noise.)

I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE TALKED to the blonde twins!!!
*bows to the master*

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I call BS on your statement when I was a kid I was rebilious as hell.

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Live it.^

Kool Aid rocks my socks.

And since when have you become representative of society as a whole? And to clarify, I was talking about kids aged 4-7 (mostly).

The problem with jesus camps is NOT that they are teaching kids good moral values (even though there are other, and better, ways to teach them) - the problem with jesus camps are that you are indoctrinating them into the christian system of belief, and not only are you taking extreme advantage of their mallability, you are not showing them the positives of the other side, or even the other side at all; and if other religions (or lack thereof) are mentioned, they are demonized.

Well, then just like any other parentally enforced "rule" or "lesson"....they'll question it when they hit reality. Why do you think these kids are complete morons?
It's like you underestimate their future intelligence or something...

Using the logic that you've just presented...we could easily just keep parents from teaching their kids anything...and letting the system do it for us. Cause aren't they just indoctrinating them into the system of belief of the parents? Wouldn't that mean that they are indoctrinating them into things like getting paid for any type of work/chore they do, but nothing for nothing (allowance)? What about the ones who show their kids how to steal from stores to survive?
What about the ones who think that pharmeceutical medications are the only way to survive?
Or the ones who think that all WEEJEE (Oujia?) boards are the all-knowing truth-tellers of the world?
Or the mormons? (lol...jk...just a joke)
Or scientologists?

My point is...although you have a point...it's very small or weak in comparison to the many other problems facing kids age 4-7 today.

We'll have time to worry about religious camps, and their "brainwashing" techniques when things like poverty, drugs, starvation, and predators are no longer their biggest threats.

I hardly think our focus should be on something that's still providing positive input into a child's life.

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I'm not too big on this Jesus Camp.

Kids that age aren't old enough to be on their knees begging for mercy, crying to God.

They aren't old enough to make such a life decision yet. Although I was raised in a religious manner, I never did anything like that. My parents always let me decide for myself.

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Correct me if I'm wrong...but won't they have to decide for themselves too?

I mean...both there, at that time...and in the future?
Does someone MAKE them get on their knees and cry?
What's wrong with their actions?

You know that they don't have to be on their knees, right?
That's all their choice, both now...at age 4...later...at age 7...and even later...when they reach their teens and their adult years.

And if you're arguing the same point....that they aren't old enough to be doing that yet.......doesn't the theory of relativity play into effect somewhere?

Just like you never did anything like that at that age...neither did I. I was there. I sang the songs. I prayed the prayers...but I never made a big "crying" ordeal out of it all.........that's just how SOME kids did it.
I'm pretty sure reactions to such things are simply relative to the person there. Obviously not every single kid is sitting there crying their eyes out...but the video is definately going to make you believe that they are.

I didn't know that going to camp was a LIFE decision??
Weird.

You see that Achilles?
LIFE!
Same to you Northwest...LIFE!

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The bottom line is, kids that age will believe anything their parents tell them or what their friends say.

Tell me this.

If I had a camp called NoGod Camp, and for a week, I pushed down their throats the fact that there was no God. How would you feel about this camp? Do you know how easy it would be to convince these kids of this? Very easy. Just as it is to convince them otherwise.

If I had the same camp for adults, it wouldn't be looked down upon so much. Because adults can make life decisions for themselves. Adolescents are simply not old enough to be put in situations like that.

i believe in God, but I just don't think this camp is right. They're just exiting the age of believing in Santa for God's sake (Literally). Kids should be raised to believe in God if their parents want them to. But a camp like this too much too early.

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Did you ever legitamately question whether or not the Earth was round, after your parents (or whoever it was) told it it was not flat? Once you learned math, did you ever try and prove that 1+1 does not equal 2? I'd hope not. I didn't say that kids wouldn't question the morals presented in jesus camp (because many kids do), I said they'd be far less likely to question the reality of jesus. It is being presented as fact that jesus did everything the New Testament says he did, and that's unfair. The children are being indoctrinated into the idea of jesus, and that idea is not only wrong, but it's dangerous.

That's not the logic I was presenting at all. I actually said that it's okay to teach the kids moral values in a camp like that. All I said was that it's wrong to indoctrinate mallible kids into something incredibly bias.

So, by your logic, all non-Christians are non-working criminals? The way to teach your kid to do chores and work is to lead by example. It has nothing to do with religion. I, and millions of other atheists, are living examples of that principle.

Problems facing kids 4-7? WHAT PROBLEMS!? At that age, all you have to do is go to school, soccer practice, do 15 minutes worth of chores a week, and play with your friends. Children that age aren't capable of comprehending things like responsibility, nor should the be expected to take on any. If by problems, you mean danger, that's the parents responsibility, not the kid's.

How does crime and jesus camp relate in this thread?

The net impact on the child's life is still negative.