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Faith is just an excuse for not having any evidence to support your beliefs.
I have been saying this for years.
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Yeah, that stuff's really stupid. Religion is the single most ill-conceived notion that plagues our species. We'd be better off believing in the force.



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What the f..k is wrong with you?

How can you live without faith?

Do you have a mental disorder, or do you simply "want to go to sleep" when you die?

How can you live day by day thinking once you die, it's over?

Faith is what keeps you driven until death.
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What the F**K is wrong with you?

How can you live without faith?

Do you have a mental disorder, or do you simply "want to go to sleep" when you die?

How can you live day by day thinking once you die, it's over?

Faith is what keeps you driven until death.
Lol not me, i would rather live a life knowing that im going to rot in the ground then being lied to even if it is just to give me hope. I dont need to think that to live.
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Lol not me, i would rather live a life knowing that im going to rot in the ground then being lied to even if it is just to give me hope. I dont need to think that to live.
OK, therefore, according to my theory, you are a worthless piece of sh.t that will never accomplish anything in life. Just according to my theory.
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What the F**K is wrong with you?
Wrong is a point of view. Please specify what the hell you're talking about.

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How can you live without faith?
Very comfortably.

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Do you have a mental disorder, or do you simply "want to go to sleep" when you die?
No mental disorder here. Many atheists, like myself, WANT there to be an afterlife of bliss, but the evidence for such an afterlife is pathetically non-existant, despite what many christians claim.

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How can you live day by day thinking once you die, it's over?
I would think life as a christian would be far more bleak than life as an atheist.

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Faith is what keeps you driven until death.
The will to survive is what keeps 99.9% of the mentally stable population 'driven' until death. Faith has little to do with it. Evolutionarily, creatures without the will to survive have, well, died out. It's hard-wired into your genetics.

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OK, therefore, according to my theory, you are a worthless piece of crap that will never accomplish anything in life. Just according to my theory.
Than it's a damn good thing your theory is worth less than the corn I sh.t out this morning.
 
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Wrong is a point of view. Please specify what the hell you're talking about.

Very comfortably.

No mental disorder here. Many atheists, like myself, WANT there to be an afterlife of bliss, but the evidence for such an afterlife is pathetically non-existant, despite what many christians claim.

I would think life as a christian would be far more bleak than life as an atheist.

The will to survive is what keeps 99.9% of the mentally stable population 'driven' until death. Faith has little to do with it. Evolutionarily, creatures without the will to survive have, well, died out. It's hard-wired into your genetics.

Than it's a damn good thing your theory is worth less than the corn I crap out this morning.
*Shakes Hand* On behalf of (most) everyone in this debate section, I thank you.

Brass... why do you think it's alright to degrade someone for believing in something different than you? It's completely rediculous.

It was actually enjoyable having a few months reprieve of Brass. Now that he's back, we get to hear why everyone but Christians are scum. Hooray! Hopefully Rev has changed for the better.
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Christianity has, overall, had a negative impact on the world. Open a history book, and see for yourself.
Negative? Like you said about ''wrong'', ''negative'' is also a matter of opinion.

And also, 'HISTORY BOOK!?' , try opening a Bible! then see for yourself.
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In the grand scheme of things, the number of fanatics is greater than the number of moderates. It's only a condition of the past 50 years that this condition has been reversed (as is true today).
Sounds like someone's a little bitter about history.

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I have no religion. And yes, I know Stalin was an atheist; but Hitler was a die-hard Catholic, and he might not even be the most evil character in all Christian history...
I thought Hitler was Jewish or something?
Eh...*shrugs*
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Right, I understand that you can get into a fight and get out of camp, but before one resorts to being an ass, why wouldn't they just ask to leave? The answer to that question is they are afraid to ask. . .
I can't vouch for all humans out there...but not all of us are pussies.
Some of us have been smart enough to stand on our own two feet even since we were 10. Yes...I have left places that I didn't want to be.
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There's nothing wrong with it.
Sweet! So then what's the point of the video, again? To show how bad they are, and that they should be gotten rid of? Or what?
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Why risk the objectiveness of children just so they can have a positive message? There are plenty of other healthy ways to give kids confidence.
Because they teach more than just confidence. Sorry you're ignorant to those other values. *Shrugs*
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Right, but I can blame them for making an active effort to instill their own values in their kid before their kid even has any idea what's going on.
Umm...isn't that a parent's JOB? I thought you were the one that said something about the learning age of children and all that.

You just said there was nothing wrong with these camps...what's wrong with the values taught at the these camps.

I guess I'm failing to see our point of conflict...since I thought, originally, it was centered around what these camps are teaching. But you said that was all fine...so what are we discussing, now?
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Yeah, and Jewish and Muslim kids get older about 10 years after camp, and then decide to blow each-other to hell...Great?

Faith is just an excuse for not having any evidence to support your beliefs.
You've got very cute ways of "dumbing down" a subject...or turning it into something it's not. They really are cute.

Unfortunately...you tend to stray out there...losing your original point...because now I'm lost.

Now I just feel like I'm being preached at by an athiest.

Athieism is just an excuse to be ignorant. <---Isn't that cute? One day...I'll be just as good as you!!

I hardly think that these "pulic", "Jesus Camps" teach kids to go blow eachother up. Your weak linkage of terrorism and religion don't really apply in this case...especially when you're talking about modern Christianity. As you've stated, the moderates outweigh the crazies, now-a-days.

Don't you think most of us have seen the wrongs committed by our ancestors in history? Do the Germans still put Jewish kids in concentration camps?
No...but there are still "skin heads" and "neo nazis" running around...are you going to attack all of Europe because they exist, or because of THEIR history?

Sounds like you're just mad because you didn't have a camp to go to when you were young, and impressionable.

"Blowing each other up 10 years later" and "devastating to children" are pretty severe exaggerations on your part, son.

It's ok...all you missed was a week or so away from home where you could associate with a co-ed group of kids who were around your age and held a common interest. It's not that big of a deal.
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From my experience at these so called "Jesus Camps", I had a ton of fun with other kids who shared common interests as I did. As a matter of fact, their wasn't much focus placed on God or Jesus at all - it was mostly the theme of unification and discovering yourself. Sure, at night and before meals we prayed, and read from the Bible, but nothing like brainwashing occurred... they weren't trying to convert or hammer the idea of God into our heads.

I'm kind of offended, or maybe ashamed, is the right word - that you guys condemn something like this that is aimed at improving the quality of life of those attending and those who are affected by the camp. Just because Christianity isn't something you believe in doesn't mean you have to condemn an activity in its name.
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