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Is Science taking away Religions Mojo?
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Research first please. Galileo crushed what the Catholic church said.

It wasn't necessarily Galileo vs Religion, it was Galileo vs mindless brainwashing.
**Puts gun to head....Pulls Trigger....then finishes typing this post** My post wasn't one of those "Research" kind of posts, I was stating what I have known Galileo to be, I thought he was more of a philosopher and less of a scientist, because he didn't really collect and analyse data to back up his claims. However, almost all turned out to be true.... I also didn't make the Galileo vs. Religion analogy at ALL.
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Philosopher, not a scientist. His views were more of guess's and hunches and not really of research/facts.
Galileo was a part of the Scientific Revolution, where did I say he was strictly a scientist?

Many of the bright minds during those times made discoveries and inventions in far more then one field.


For example, he discovered the Earth revolved around the Sun, whereas the Chruch taught the other way around. He simply crushed the churches thoughtless teachings through the ways of Science. He made discoveries in astrology, astronomy, philosophy and more.
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**Puts gun to head....Pulls Trigger....then finishes typing this post** My post wasn't one of those "Research" kind of posts, I was stating what I have known Galileo to be, I thought he was more of a philosopher and less of a scientist, because he didn't really collect and analyse data to back up his claims. However, almost all turned out to be true.... I also didn't make the Galileo vs. Religion analogy at ALL.
Fact: Galileo was a scientist.


The part about Galileo vs religion wasn't directed at you specifically, it was directed at the thread. I should have spaced it farther, I apologize.
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Oic, my bad, I was kinda confused by your guys posts... Haha
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I thought it was an acceptable idea of how or why something occurs. i.e. The Big Bang Theory, Darwins Theory, etc. I realize that it is backed up by some evidence...but theres no PROOF.
In the incredibly broad sense, yes. But a scientific theory has to be dynamic in it's composition, and has to be observable. The only reason the Theory of Evolution is still called a theory, and not a fact, is that we are still learning about the many many many different ways something can evolve. Evolution in both the micro and macro sense has actually been observed, and if there weren't so many (it's an ever increasing number) different applications of the theory, than it would be called a fact. Scientifically, the basis of Evolution is fact; but the theory as a whole remains dymanic.

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Philosopher, not a scientist. His views were more of guess's and hunches and not really of research/facts.
. . .He was the first one to use a telliscope to observe the largest of Jupiter's moons, and our own moon. From those observations led to theories (which are now facts), thus making him a scientist. That's not to say he wasn't also a philosopher.
 
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I thought it was an acceptable idea of how or why something occurs. i.e. The Big Bang Theory, Darwins Theory, etc. I realize that it is backed up by some evidence...but theres no PROOF.
There is a difference between a theory you see on a cop t.v. show. Where a guy says. . " I have a theory about that killer. . " That is not what a scientific theory is.

Scientific theorys you find in textbooks and published articles. Not everything called a theory in any other media is an actual scientific theory. When you see senators, t.v. shows, and papers say something is a theory then you need to find out if it is really a theory.

Scientific hypothesis are more align with what a theory is on t.v.

Scientific Theories are tested, tested, and retested again. Based only on evidence and are the explanations on the mechanisms of a phenomenon.

Law of Gravity says: Two things of mass with have an attraction etc etc etc
Theory of Gravity says: How that attraction works.

The theory is full of evidence. It is based solely on that and has not ever been proven wrong. Or else it wouldn't be a theory anymore.

Laws are observations of phenomena that you see happen. The theories are what explain the mechanisms of the actions.

Scientists all over the world test theories all the time trying to find a hole in them and disprove them. That way they can get published and get lots of money. A theory is like a record in baseball that is highly revered and everyone wants to knock down.

So. . . . . Order of importance in Science:

(least) Hypothesis - - - Law - - - - Theory (most)

And this is one of the GREAT problems with the American science education system right now that we are trying to fix.
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Big bang hypothesis - very very miniscule amt of evidence

Theory of Evolution - immense huge gigantic amt of evidence.

Its like comparing a grain of sand to a mountain if you were to look at the evidence.
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Is the only evidence of the big bang that the universe is expanding?
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Is the only evidence of the big bang that the universe is expanding?
There's also background radiation. And, of course, the doplar effect showing expansion.

Taking a glance at wikipedia, the arangment of galaxies, and the abundance of hydrogen and helium.
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