Originally Posted by OneJulyDay

Angered did I tell you Im getting your avatar as a tattoo?

Yep .

I remember you saying something along the lines of "OMG Angered i'm so getting your avatar as a tattoo."

Not a bad choice if I say so.

Originally Posted by Angered

Every sin is equal in God's eyes, right?

God may not think it is alright for him to be doing so, but according to Christians, God knows every action you're going to take in life. It's not like he's going to hold any grudges if ReV repents.

ReV is doing no worse than the murders taking place right now. He is doing no worse than your friends acting homosexual.

You can not truly repent from your sins if you don't acknowledge them and try to correct them. If you repent with the full intention of doing that sin over again, then you're not really repenting.

In addition, I am calling him out on defending God in a post where he disobeys the teachings himself. That is called being hypocritical. He makes posts like that one on a regular basis, so it isn't just a slip up. He's making the same mistake over and over again, and he shouldn't be anywhere near this thread throwing accusations around about people being sinners when he can't seem to account for his own. Perspective.

I disagree that God knows every action, because if God knew every action he wouldn't bother to have created free will. God may intervene in lives that he can alter, if you would believe what most Christians say, but he does not control every word out of your mouth. If he did, then free will and the choice to choose him and take him into your heart wouldn't be very much of a choice at all. Christians don't believe in predestination. They believe in free will.

Originally Posted by Angered

Yep .

I remember you saying something along the lines of "OMG Angered i'm so getting your avatar as a tattoo."

Not a bad choice if I say so.

Yea Im excited. Ill take pics once I get it.

Originally Posted by Vagrant

You can not truly repent from your sins if you don't acknowledge them and try to correct them. If you repent with the full intention of doing that sin over again, then you're not really repenting.

That's assuming he has already or has ever repented before.

Originally Posted by Vagrant

I disagree that God knows every action, because if God knew every action he wouldn't bother to have created free will. God may intervene in lives that he can alter, if you would believe what most Christians say, but he does not control every word out of your mouth. If he did, then free will and the choice to choose him and take him into your heart wouldn't be very much of a choice at all. Christians don't believe in predestination. They believe in free will.

God can not be called a "God" unless he/she is omniscient. If you're omniscient, you are all-powerful. You would know every action every single person is going to do for the rest of their lives.

If we have the ability to do something that God has yet to forsee, then he can not be omniscient. If you are not omniscient, then you are also not omnipotent. If you neither of these, then you are not a God.

So, either God knows everything we do every second or he/she is not a God.

And, if God knows everything we are going to do, there is no free will. If you wish to say we do have free will, then you have to acknowledge that God would not be omniscient. And you know what that would mean.

Originally Posted by OneJulyDay

Yea Im excited. Ill take pics once I get it.

I'm excited to see how they turn out.

Originally Posted by Angered

So, either God knows everything we do every second or he/she is not a God.

And, if God knows everything we are going to do, there is no free will. If you wish to say we do have free will, then you have to acknowledge that God would not be omniscient. And you know what that would mean.

No Christina sect belives in predestination with the exception of the Lutherans. Are you a Lutheran? If not, you may want to ask your preacher about the idea and get a little clarification.

Originally Posted by Vagrant

No Christina sect belives in predestination with the exception of the Lutherans. Are you a Lutheran? If not, you may want to ask your preacher about the idea and get a little clarification.

How is Christina, anyway?

Originally Posted by Fershetta

How is Christina, anyway?

I am as high right now as about three assholes. I am honestly surprised I didn't make any more errors in those statements.

Christina is doing well, for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by Angered

Every sin is equal in God's eyes, right?

God may not think it is alright for him to be doing so, but according to Christians, God knows every action you're going to take in life. It's not like he's going to hold any grudges if ReV repents.

ReV is doing no worse than the murders taking place right now. He is doing no worse than your friends acting homosexual.

Just for clarification....Vagrant was talking about if he was an "undecided" kid watching Rev for his actions.....to see what being a Christian is like.

NOT from God's perspective...but from another persons.
Just to clarify.

2nd...the line between Free Will and Predestinations lies here (It's a post from another thread):

Originally Posted by Rebal771

The part that you all are forgetting in all of this...is the point at which free will was induced.

Before Christ...it was not free-will. Before Christ...God punished, and put his hand into whatever he felt needed it.

I mean...yeah...as far as life goes...free will exists. You're only limited by what you think you can't do. Think you can climb rocks? Learn how. Think you can build a house? Figure it out. Free will in THAT sense...I have never seen/heard of it NOT existing.

But as far as getting to know the "Christian" God...etc.....that free will didn't come about until Jesus came (Hence Grace...for us Christians).

So anyway...now to address the "Master Plan".

Yes...free will exists. In our plane of reality...we only see what we can. Yeah...that doesn't really mean anything new...but that's because we are limited beings. We can not perceive seeing things that we can't see...because we don't have that power. We are not powerful enough to become a God.

The point is...God gave us choice when he sent Christ. We could choose to accept or deny him. But from then on...he only intervened when he was asked to. Now...I'm not going to get into the whole debate about how God would let disasterous stuff happen...because technically...since we've been living on this earth...we've been causing some of it. (Pollution, etc.)

So God can still have a "Plan"...or a way that he WISHES that we would run...but ultimately that choice is up to us. Do we accept it...or deny it? That's free will.

Just because he knows what our answers are going to be before we say them....that doesn't mean the he PLANNED THAT. It's just because he created us...and knows how we work. He knows what's coming.

Its kinda like Bungie. They created halo. Halo is a big huge story line...in a whole new world. In THAT world...there are factors for how to play that are different than in THIS world. But those Characters don't know any better. All they know is what they see in game. The Elites that you fight the entire game...they have a certain amount of free-will. They can shoot you from behind the box...or run around and try and attack you from behind. But when you play as Master Chief...YOU have free will. You are allowed to complete the mission any way you want. Bungie has a plan for the most efficient way to complete the game. Bungie knows what's coming. Does that mean that all of us who play the game and beat it use their master plan?

No. We may follow the same paths...but there's always a way to get through without dying as much...or doing it faster...with more accuracy....etc.

Either way...you still get the choice. So technically...it's free will.

It's not a completely free world (although the lack of fall damage kind of makes it feel more free)...and there are "laws" to the game that you have to follow (unless you Mod...but that's a different discussion all together).

Bungie...technically could go in and re-write the games "laws" (like how fast you fall...how much shield you're allowed to have...how fast the bullets travel...etc)...but they don't. They set it up...and now...they are letting it run it's course.

I don't know what God's master plan is. I know he has one...because so far...everything serves some sort of purpose...or has reasoning behind it, but we haven't discovered it yet. Kinda like when you're mid-game (campaign). You don't know what the whole point of what you're doing is...but you'll figure it out when you get there.

Till then...you're free to make your decisions. God still has a plan.

I am now open for cross-examination.
8-)

Originally Posted by Vagrant

Since you've already established yourself as being such a great christian, how would you consider what you just said to be made to be a Christian type thing to say? How are you acting Christ like in your actions by saying things like this. You are the very antithesis of what you say you are. If you think cussing people out on the internet, posting pictures of people with the intentions of making them subject to ridicule, and calling people skinny little f.gs that sit behind their computer monitor is a christian attitude, then you're fighting the wrong fight.

You give a bad name to the thing you wish to represent, and you're probably the worst witness for Christ that I have ever seen. If I was borderline, watching a supposed "Christian" make posts like this would push me in the totally opposite direction.

Dude, I hang out with Rev in real life occaisonally and he is a great guy. Just on this site he tends to get tempered and I think he doesn't realize that everyone else that posts here are REAL people. To make matters worse he has converted back to the "old" rev in his recent posts. He works at fundraisers and helps out his church a lot in REAL life, just when hes on the internet he often messes around with people just because he can.

Originally Posted by Brass

Dude, I hang out with Rev in real life occaisonally and he is a great guy. Just on this site he tends to get tempered and I think he doesn't realize that everyone else that posts here are REAL people. To make matters worse he has converted back to the "old" rev in his recent posts. He works at fundraisers and helps out his church a lot in REAL life, just when hes on the internet he often messes around with people just because he can.

While I can accept your explination...and assume he's probably a good guy........the fact that he "represents" or "claims" Christianity in his anti-Christian posts doesn't do anyone here ANY good.

That's all we're saying.

He's probably a good kid...just gets riled up easily. Hence Prayer.