LOL, For Christians. - Page 9

TooMuchButtHair · #81 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

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Originally Posted by TeH 3quivocat0r

It doesn't count against Christianity when maniacs are killing people different from them just for the hell of it.

Hitler didn't do it just for the hell of it - he did it for Christianity. He said so in his own book!

[]D[][]V[][]D · #82 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

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Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

Hitler didn't do it just for the hell of it - he did it for Christianity. He said so in his own book!

he did it for his interpretation of christianity not christianity in general

TooMuchButtHair · #83 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

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Originally Posted by []D[][]V[][]D

he did it for his interpretation of christianity not christianity in general

No, it was the Catholic's interpretation of Christianity - the SAME interpretation they'd held since their inception: Hitler and the Spanish (during the infamous Spanish Inquisitions) were the only one's with the financial and military means to fully carry out the Church's god given duty; and that duty was to bring Christianity to the world. Further evidence of this was during the Crusades (there are over 8 major ones to choose from); and the crusades pre-date Hitler by a 1200+ years, and the Spanish Inquisition by 800 years. Chrisitians have had the same 'mission' since Jesus' death - the only thing that's changed is how aggresively they've persued it (it's been held back because of finances a LOT of times), and the method in which they've chosen to persue it.

II Knight lI · #84 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

Religion including Christianity includes all ten of those things in one way or the other. If you look at it closely so does Politics and Ways of earning Power. All three should never be brought up in conversation. They are a plague to life and all its many wonderous things. Christianity is for emos, homos and eskimos

Rebal771 · #85 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

I guess this is funny???

FalseReality · 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

Hitler didn't do it just for the hell of it - he did it for Christianity. He said so in his own book!

Is that why he invaded Czeckoslovakia and Poland first?
Is that why he broke his pact with the Russians?
Is that why he killed gypsies, handicapps, and itellectuals?
Is that why he declared war on the U.S.?

Hitler wanted to create a super race with complete loyalty to the facist state.

If you want to bring in Mein Kampf(sp?), then quote it.

I don't think this discussion should be in this thread, but I'll end it here

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Despite Germany's long history as the seat of the Holy Roman Empire and the birthplace of the Reformation, Christianity was in a decline during the rise of the Nazi Party. Some of the factors leading to this decline were the after affects of World War I which challenged "traditional" European viewpoints, the decline in political parties backed by the Catholic Church. The decline of the Centre Party Germany was an enabler for the rise of the Nazi Party.

Hitler often adapted elements of Christian theology into his speeches. However he and other Nazi leaders rather subscribed either to a mixture of modern (pseudo-)scientific theories, as Hitler himself did, or to mysticism and occultism, which was especially strong in the SS. Central to both groupings was the belief in German racial superiority.
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The Catholic Church

With the Church's strong view against Communism and their support for Mussolini's fascist regime in Italy, the Church looked at the Nazi party as an ally at first. The Church encouraged worshippers to support a state of fascism rather then Communism. By doing this the Church gave a boost to the Socialist party in Germany. Ties between the Church and the Nazi party later declined when Hitler later on viewed the Catholic backed Centre Party as a threat. The Centre Party was one of the few parties to support the Weimar Republic. Hitler calculated that knocking out the Centre Party would destabilize the government. Therefore Hitler took many steps to restrict Christianity and remove it as a political influence in Germany. Chief among these were the Reichskonkordat with the Catholic Church. The Reichskonkordat preserved funding for the Catholic Church but at the cost of making the Catholic Church subservient to the Nazi Party.
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The Protestant Church

During the 1930s Hitler tried to nationalize Germany's churches (German Christian), with restrictions allowing only German membership. Only some Protestants resisted by forming the Confessing Church. A common Nazi song replaced the words to the German carol Silent Night with the following lyrics:

Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Only the Chancellor steadfast in fight
Watches o’er Germany by day and by night
Always caring for us.
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Adolf Hitler is Germany’s wealth
Brings us greatness, favor and health
Oh give us Germans all power!

After a failed assassination on Hitler's life in 1943 which involved elements of the Confessing Church (a protestant organization), Hitler ordered the arrest of Protestant, mainly Lutheran clergy. Catholic clergy were also suppressed if they spoke out against the regime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_the_Church

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Adolf Hitler was raised as a Roman Catholic by his parents, as was customary where he grew up. According to historian Bradley F. Smith, Hitler's father, though nominally a Catholic, was a freethinker,[1] while his mother was a devoted Catholic.[2] According to historian Michael Rissmann young Adolf was influenced in school by Pan-Germanism and darwinism and began to reject the Church and Catholicism, no longer attending Mass or receiving sacraments, as required by Church law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H...igious_beliefs

Crest · #87 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

I am a Christian. I felt offended at first, but when I read it I took it less personable. I suppose it's a good Thread, since it will have current Christians re-evaluate their relationship with God. I have a strong Relationship so this does'nt change my judgement. It really made me mad at first, but then again every single thread in this debate forum makes me Irate.

TooMuchButtHair · #88 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

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Originally Posted by FalseReality

Is that why he invaded Czeckoslovakia and Poland first?
Is that why he broke his pact with the Russians?
Is that why he killed gypsies, handicapps, and itellectuals?
Is that why he declared war on the U.S.?

Hitler wanted to create a super race with complete loyalty to the facist state.

If you want to bring in Mein Kampf(sp?), then quote it.

I don't think this discussion should be in this thread, but I'll end it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_the_Church

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H...igious_beliefs

Here's a quote from his own book, "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." (Mein Kampf). Refute that with facts. So Hitler, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION said he was killing Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc in the name of god; because according to the Old and New Testament, they are evil people and should be killed.

FalseReality · #89 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

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Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

Here's a quote from his own book, "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." (Mein Kampf). Refute that with facts. So Hitler, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION said he was killing Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc in the name of god; because according to the Old and New Testament, they are evil people and should be killed.

1. Are you going to provide me a link, or a source, or did that come out of your trusty pocket sized meni kampf? And if so, then at least provide a page number.

2 If you were to click on the link you would have seen this.
To me at least it doesn't seem odd that a person who wants to get into power would appeal to the dominate religion of the public.

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Hitler's religious beliefs can be gathered from his public and private statements; they present a discrepant picture and some attributed private statements remain disputed. In public statements, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and his belief in Christ as a Christian. For example, on March 23, 1933, he addressed the Reichstag: "The National Government regards the two Christian confessions (i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism) as factors essential to the soul of the German people. . . . We hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in the moral uplift of the German people."[4] At one point he described his religious status: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."[5] Hitler never ended his church membership, but according to Albert Speer, "he had no real attachment to it."[6]

Hitler’s private statements are more mixed. There are negative statements about Christianity reported by Hitler’s intimates, Goebbels, Speer, and Bormann.[7] Joseph Goebbels, for example, notes in a diary entry in 1939: “The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay.” Albert Speer reports a similar statement: “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[8]

TooMuchButtHair · #90 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006

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Originally Posted by FalseReality

1. Are you going to provide me a link, or a source, or did that come out of your trusty pocket sized meni kampf? And if so, then at least provide a page number.

2 If you were to click on the link you would have seen this.
To me at least it doesn't seem odd that a person who wants to get into power would appeal to the dominate religion of the public.

You could check out the book from a library, but here's a chapter by chapter summary of the book: http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/hitler/hitler1.htm. It contains dozens of Hitler's pro-Christianity quotes. The best evidence is evidence from the person who said it - and his own book is the best evidence for his Chrisitian beliefs.

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