Yeah it was petty dumb
Considering that there is Anglicans, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Eastern orthodox, Methodists, Presbyterian, Congretionalists, Anabaptists, Pentaocstal, United, Quakers who all believe in different things but study the same book(maybe different translations though).

And guess what. They are all Christians.

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The Old Testament isn't recognized as applicable to modern day living by Christians today. The New Testament is the map to living how God would like us to.

Also, the "murders" you speak of were punishments.

I pretty much agree with False Reality here.

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They DO all believe the SAME thing - that Jesus Christ is their Lord and savior, right? They all follow their Bibles (the real Christians do, anyway) to the letter. Their underlying belief is the same; and the worship in the same way. They might disagree on how to practice (and even some have different Bibles, which I'll get into) their religion, but their belief is the same.

Basically you have protestants, Catholics, and the Orthdox churches: Anglicans, Luterans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterian, Congretionalists, etc, are all protestant sects. They re-worded the New and Old Testaments to fit their own adgenda. Catholics and Orthodox followers are the only ones who read un-altered versions of the New Testament; but the Old Testament generally goes completely un-altered. It's odd to think that people know what Jesus wanted, moreso than himself and his deciples - why else would they alter the content of the Bible?

Google the history of the King James version of the Bible - there's some interesting stuff about it out there.

The underlying point is still valid: if one is to be considered a Christian, than they don't call their god a liar. It's logical, isn't it?

I'm glad you brought that up! It's strange that many of the people that were murdered by the Old Testament god were completely innocent. Can you justify calling a new-born baby a criminal? Can you justifiy killing it even though it's done nothing wrong, and isn't even old enough to speak? Your god did that. These babies were punished for the crimes of others. That doesn't sound too fair to me. What happened to the Old Testament of eye-for-an-eye? Shouldn't god have to atone for his sins? I guess it's okay for him to go killing as he pleases, and not be held accountable for HIS crimes, right?

Yes please keep saying who the real Christians are, I'm dying to know. Because for a moment there I thought only god could make that judgement, he being omniscent and all, but thankfully I've met you who is infallible enough to show us the way. Preach Savior Preach.

And lastly, the Old Testement is an eye for an eye but you are forgetting that God sent Jesus down to dispell this belief. Jesus taught forgiveness, compassion and understanding (the reason we have recenciliation today.) Many of the teahchings of the NT are in direct conflict with passages from the OT. This is why the OT can't be applied today and the reason why God provided us wiith a better path to live by.

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Thank you sir. This is what I was going to say in response to him.

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Again, it's a pretty widely accepted notion that Christians are people who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior, right? Aside from saying that most Christians don't call Jesus' deciples lairs, I haven't said anything about who 'true' Christians really are.

Again, you have completely missed my point. Here it is again: shouldn't god be held accountable for the CRIMES he committed? You have not answered that point, at all.

Then let me ask you this: why do CHRISTIANS have such a problem with the Ten Commandments being taken down from court rooms? If the OT is no longer applicable, why get upset?

Perhaps eye-for-an-eye is not plausible, but the OT is the foundation for the Christian religion, isn't it? The OT is very relavent to our conversation, depite the claims you make. I can find plenty of other quotes from the Bible that support the claim that the OT god killed innocent people. I'm actually using a friends Bible - I'm using the internet to find relevant passages, and then I'm confirming them using the Bible - that way, you can't tell me I'm not getting my information from a credible source (again).

You do realize that god and Jesus are the same entity, right?

Sorry to digress, but the holy trinity is just too facinating to pass up. Is god a bit schitzophrenic?

Anyway, sorry for the digression. Back on topic!

What was the real reason Jesus died on the cross (if it happened)? To atone for the sins of man, or to atone for his own sins? Jesus (also known as god) committed dozens of extremely violent acts over the course of his OT rule, and perhaps he just needed a bit of time on the cross to think about what he did.

And here you go making ignorant assumptions. People don't call the disciples liars, they simply recognize different translations and hold different interpretations of text. your taking a complicated concept and simplifying it to serve your argument.



I really don't thing you have any understanding of what god is.
God is omniscent
God is omnipotent
God is infalliable.
God can't be wrong and Christians believe he has never been wrong. Whether he killed some people makes no difference if he grants them eternal life in heaven. Byut really that doesn't matter because god is perfect, and the NT says forgiving.


And here you going making a broad generalization about the OT
Does the Ten Commandments represent the eye for an eye theme. No they're God's word to Moses and the correct way to live. Yes, there can be applied to today but that is not to say the whole OT shares that compatibility.



The NT is the foundation of Christianity. Ot can be more associated with Judism.



Yes, but often times the two can be seen as two entities. For instance when Jesus on the cross looks to the sky and says "forgive them father they know not what they do." Do you think Jesus is talking in the third person? Jesus also makes many reference to god.






And we will never understand it, move along.



This is where I ignore people like you too dumb to have any concept of god and make outrageous claims to slander Christianity.

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Jesus was sent down to dispel the Old Testament? Direct conflict between passages in the Bible? I was operating under the auspice that the entire Bible was the infallible Word of God. How can the Bible be inerrant if it directly contradicts itself? Why would God need to provide a better path to live by than what he originally presented? Did He, the perfect being, screw up the first time around?

Maybe not so much that God screwed up the first time around........but maybe that Humans are so rediculously retarded that we started killing anything and everything........and we probably wouldn't still be flourishing if he hadn't taught us to live otherwise.

But you have to remember...the Bible is what Christianity used to represent itself AS A WHOLE. Not in parts.

You can't pull one sentence from one side of the Bible...and compare it with one from the other side. For 1...they were almost all written by different people....2...different time periods...3...it's meant to be read as an ENTIRETY, and not in bits and pieces. You only say it contradicts, because you do not know the whole story. (Not to mention....the Old Testament is more of a "History of how Christianity came to be" and the New Testament is the personification of said prophecies.)

Kind of like in a story book. You pull one sentence from the very beginning (before the protagonist knows that his friend will stab him in the back)....and compare it with one near the end...when the guy kills his ex-friend. All of a sudden......yeah...in bits and pieces...anything can contradict itself. And that's how closed-mindedness works. You have yet to entertain the idea...you simply draw what contradictions you want to see.

Sure...you can say God was wrathful before Jesus. I, personally, don't blame him. I think that if he were still punishing like he was back then...we simply wouldn't be here cause of how f..ked up we all are.

While that "spend some time on the cross to think about what he did" phrase is REALLY REALLY f..ked up.......maybe thats part of his plan? You don't know. I don't know. Would you really want to talk to someone/thing WAAY more powerful than you like that, though? *Shrugs* It's your ass...not mine.

If you look up God in the dictionary...it's SUPPOSED to be something that we can't comprehend. Like...in its entirety...man is not supposed to understand a Greater being...because we haven't "met" one yet.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Even though that may not be enough to convince you that one DOES.......that's what our time on Earth is for. If you can't find him/her....it's not my problem. S/He's in everything around you...and all you have to do is look.

Maybe God realized that we were never going to get it through our thickheads, if we were bashing eachother's in all the time (OT). Maybe he DID give up on us at one point...and had to send his Son to come and help us out. Whatever the case may be...you've been given evidence...and you make your own judgment calls.

Either way...the point is, if you're going to try and make the Bible contradict itself, and keep denying God's presence.....then that's your error to make. Just know that you're an idiot for picking and choosing the SENTENCES you want to talk about...rather than the TOPICS. You don't know any more than we do.....but you keep pretending like you do. (When I say you...I mean the morons who use one sentence as their "end all Jesus debate/belief" when you don't know even half of the story...or you ignore the sentences that give explination later on.)

It's cool...you've got it figured out. Or at least you think you do.........but then again....

...so do I.

(P.S. If you're going to start quoting the Bible....please...START QUOTING THE BIBLE! Quit mentioning broad topics or a single sentece...because this debate is getting long-winded, and tiresome. Just start bringing the evidence to light rather than talk out of your ass. Thanks.)

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