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Sure, they're easily comparable. Obviously, the number one similarity is that Christianity and Islam are both monotheistic religions. We believe in one god, (only thing though, is Muslims don't believe in a trinity). Other similarities include the Prophets, we believe in them all, and what is regarded as sin and what is regarded as good deeds, although universal ideas, they are similar in these two basic religions as well.

Still, there are differences. For example, it is true that followers of both religions are called "people of the Book" because both recieved the same message, God's Word. However, a big difference between Christianity's holy Book and Islam's holy Book is that the Bible was corrupted, while the Qur'aan never was and never will be. I mean, think about it, we have countless versions of the Bible..."old testament, new testament" what's all this? It's all so simple in Islam. One book that was never changed, which is a guide to a beautiful way of life. Actually, I think that's another difference. That Islam isn't just a religion, but a way of life. Literally EVERYTHING we do is "Islamic"...we have a certain way of doing everything.

Another difference is that Islam is universal, meaning the message is spread throughout the entire world, while Christianity wasn't (before it was corrupted).

And last but not least, in Islam we have a compilation of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad may peace be upon him. This compilation, called "hadith" is in addition to the Qur'aan. Therefore the religion is perfect, we are guided in the most perfect manner, and it's really easy and simple, unlike other religions which can get a bit complicated (and not in a good way).

Well, those are the similarities and differences I can think of, although I'm sure there are more. As per your request I left out the part about Jesus.
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If all possibilities are mutually exclusive (one has to be true, and only one can be true), then proving one disproves all of the others. Agreed?
But what if all were true and it was just the stupidity of man that set them against each other in a power struggle for our souls?
 
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Still, there are differences. For example, it is true that followers of both religions are called "people of the Book" because both recieved the same message, God's Word. However, a big difference between Christianity's holy Book and Islam's holy Book is that the Bible was corrupted, while the Qur'aan never was and never will be. I mean, think about it, we have countless versions of the Bible..."old testament, new testament" what's all this? It's all so simple in Islam. One book that was never changed, which is a guide to a beautiful way of life. Actually, I think that's another difference. That Islam isn't just a religion, but a way of life. Literally EVERYTHING we do is "Islamic"...we have a certain way of doing everything.
In case you didn't already pick it up somewhere, for the record, I'm a curious Christian.

One question I have for you is exactly what makes the Qur'aan more legitimate than the Bible? The Old Testament and New Testament are simply divisions of the Bible from before Jesus' birth and after. How can you be sure that the Qur'aan was never corrupted, and that the Bible was corrupted to the point where it no longer carried religious significance?

Ultimately, how can you be sure that the Islamic holy book is sacred and that the Christian Bible, the Torrah, or other religious articles are not?

I would also make the arguement that Christianity really and truly is a lifestyle to be lived. This is backed up Biblically and by people. I think Christianity may have a bad image of it not being a lifestyle because so many people who do not live the life a Christian should live label themselves "Christian" when they really have no concept of the word. You may have a certain way of doing everything that is unique to Islam, but Christianity certainly is a way of life.
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How can you be sure that the Qur'aan was never corrupted, and that the Bible was corrupted to the point where it no longer carried religious significance?

Ultimately, how can you be sure that the Islamic holy book is sacred and that the Christian Bible, the Torrah, or other religious articles are not?
He can only be sure of that for the same reason that you're sure the Bible was never corrupted.

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But what if all were true and it was just the stupidity of man that set them against each other in a power struggle for our souls?
Any two religions as we know them cannot both be true, because they make divergent, irreconcilable claims. They're all contradictory. So, no.
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If all possibilities are mutually exclusive (one has to be true, and only one can be true), then proving one disproves all of the others. Agreed?
but my point is that you can't prove anything and nor can you disprove anything
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He can only be sure of that for the same reason that you're sure the Bible was never corrupted.
I'm not 100% positive that it wasn't. That's where faith comes in.

He seems sure that it has remained pure.
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I'm not 100% positive that it wasn't. That's where faith comes in.

He seems sure that it has remained pure.
Still weird to hear that from a self-professed Christian. In any case, he'd say that his faith is enough by itself to be 100% sure that the Quran wasn't corrupted. <Correct me if I'm wrong, Haqqul_Yaqeen.>

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but my point is that you can't prove anything and nor can you disprove anything
<Sigh.> If you would either agree or disagree with my proposition instead of avoiding it, we could make some progress.
If all possibilities in a given situation are mutually exclusive (one has to be true and only one can be true), then proving one disproves all of the others, and likewise, disproving all but one proves the remaining one.
Agreed?
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I agree with you when you say 'proving one disproves the others' but I don't see how disproving the others proves the remaining one. And the fact still remains that you can't disprove the others or prove one.
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I agree with you when you say 'proving one disproves the others' but I don't see how disproving the others proves the remaining one. And the fact still remains that you can't disprove the others or prove one.
Alright, let's say that in a given situation, there are three possibilities. Only one of them can be true, and one of them has to be true. If you disprove two of them, there's only one possibility left. Regardless of whether you've proved it or not, it must be right because there's no other possibility.

If I can show that all religions and atheism have something in common that makes it wrong to pick any one of them over the others, and I can show that agnosticism is distinct in whatever respect that is, then agnosticism must be the only way to go.
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Alright, let's say that in a given situation, there are three possibilities. Only one of them can be true, and one of them has to be true. If you disprove two of them, there's only one possibility left. Regardless of whether you've proved it or not, it must be right because there's no other possibility.

If I can show that all religions and atheism have something in common that makes it wrong to pick any one of them over the others, and I can show that agnosticism is distinct in whatever respect that is, then agnosticism must be the only way to go.
He's saying that maybe the correct theory isn't on the table yet.
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