Whoa, slow down. Agnostics are under no impressions whatsoever. Quote me on whatever made you think that, and I'll clarify.

There may or may not be a creator. As an agnostic, I can't say for sure either way.

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Yeah after I made that post I realized that people who follow Creationism would have to believe more strongly that there was a maker. I was just thinking that since you were leaning more towards there being a creator, that would an avenue worth looking at.

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Hello everyone,

Before I say anything I must warn you that sometimes I talk a lot. (Or maybe I just said that to use that emoticon which I found really cute...)

Anyway this is my first post on this forum, The Colostomizer asked me to join and comment on this thread. Why me? 'Cause I'm special...well, actually cause I'm Muslim, but that makes me special. Yes it does. YES IT DOES!

On a more serious note, yes it does.

Without a personal relationship with Allah, I don't know how someone can really consider themselves Muslim at all. Take praying, for example...it's a bunch of moves put together, and anyone can do it. The thing that makes it real is feeling a relationship with God, a connection not really felt with anyone else. Islam definitely isn't only actions or deeds, but faith plus deeds.

Anyway just wanted to point that out. Although I think we're starting with details before the basics...and anyone who wants to learn about Islam should really learn the basics first.

You lost me at 'prove'

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If every other option is unacceptable, agnosticism must be the best way to go, right?

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I hope you're here to stay and not just for a short visit. It would be nice to have some Muslims around, different viewpoints are always nice.

But isn't it true that you cannot be sure of where your afterlife will be? That if your good outweighs your bad on a scale, you get into paradise, but you can't really be positive? That ultimately Allah decides, and that even Mohammed (spelling? sorry) didn't know if he'd get to paradise?

How do you know that Allah loves you? Does Allah love you?

What exactly does your faith entail, aside from deeds?

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You seem pretty open minded. That's one of the best qualities someone can have. Yes, hopefully I'll stay as long as I'm welcome here.

Paradise is promised to the believers, who fear Allah and put their trust in Him, and struggle within themselves against their desires to sin. And hell is promised to the disbelievers, who do the opposite of that.

But in general, can anyone really be sure of anything that will happen in the future? I'd think the answer is no, and so I can't be sure whether I'm going to Paradise or Hell, but let me ask you this: Are my chances of going to Paradise really the same if I am devout and pious and humble as if I go to nightclubs every night and drink, and live carelessly? Obviously you get what you pay for. Likewise, you get what you work for.

Ultimately Allah decides, but Allah isn't cruel or unfair. He'll decide based on your actions in this world. To put it simply, this life is a test. You're being tested of 1) your belief in God and His messengers, Angels, Book, etc. etc., 2) your actions.

It isn't a trick. God isn't out to get you. It's really a universal idea; you work, you become successful. You slack off, you lose.

There are signs of Allah's love. I can list them, but first I have to know how much you know about Islam. Do you know the basics? If you know the basics I can go on.

Ok, we believe there are more than 70 branches of faith. These branches are divided into three parts:

1) Action of the heart (i.e. belief)
2) Action of the tongue (i.e. declaration)
3) Action of all other parts of the body (i.e. action upon belief)

You can go here to read a compiled list of those branches:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(concept)

Basically, if one has all those qualities, he/she has complete faith. Also, I'm sure you know about the 5 pillars of Islam. If one follows those, he/she is a believer and a Muslim, but can always strive to improve by trying to implement the (more than) 70 branches of faith.

I hope that answers your question, if you have any more please don't hesitate to ask.

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Haqqul Yaqeen means Truth of Certainty...whoever wants to learn more about this, i.e. Islam, please contact me (AIM, Yahoo, or MSN). I'll answer any questions you have, and debate with you if you feel that I'm wrong. In fact, I challenge you to prove me wrong...unless you weren't originally planning on doing that, in which case I withdraw the challenge. Also, if you want to join an Islamic Forum and speak with countless Muslims about anything you want, go to www.gawaher.com.

the reason he lost me at 'prove' is because he can't prove that every other option is unacceptable.

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If all possibilities are mutually exclusive (one has to be true, and only one can be true), then proving one disproves all of the others. Agreed?

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To be honest with you, the only side of Islam I've ever really heard was that of a Muslim turned Christian who was comparing the two.

How would you personally compare Islam to Christianity? How are the similar, and how are their Gods different (disregarding Jesus' death on the Cross)?

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