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Posts: 1,898 | Well, that's not teh c00l. "Hey!! You over there!!! Stop thinking for yourself! Don't make me send you to Hell!" Something about that doesn't seem right...
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Posts: 4,882 | Round 2 Alright, so you've got the Quran in one hand and the Bible in the other. Each of them make divergent, irreconcilable claims about the metaphysical nature of the universe, and neither has any evidence to back up these claims (note that metaphysical claims do not include historical stuff like the existence of ancient cities and whatnot). Unlike all other kinds of beliefs, which can be justified soley through proof, religious beliefs only require faith, and due to the lack of evidence, faith is the only thing that can be used to justify religious beliefs. So, Muslims have faith in the Quran and Christians have faith in the Bible. Due to the exclusivity claims made in each book, they cannot both be right. It's either one of them or neither. So, how do you know if one of them is right if you only have faith to guide you? How do you choose which one to put your faith into? What I hear mostly is that you feel God's presence in your life. For most of the religious kids on these forums, you feel Him telling you that Christianity is right. Here's the problem. Muslims say the exact same thing. That should be a big red flag waving in front of everyone's eyes. All the stories you hear about powerful experiences at a summer youth camp, where you could feel God in the room with you and it was so obvious that Christianity is right, Muslims say the same thing about Islam. What other reason could you have for picking one religion over all the others? Maybe you have a vision in which God specifically tells you which path to follow. Well, those kind of experiences aren't exclusive to a single religion, either. Miracles are attested to by people of every faith. You're probably insane if you've had a vision like that. So, that's no good. Whether or not a certain belief system's moral code agrees with yours is probably the worst way to pick a religion. People make up morals as they go. Most of your sense of morality is derived directly from your environment. So, if you're born in the Middle East, you are a lot more likely to find it blasphemous for a woman to show her forearm in public. Likewise, if you're born in the States, chances are good you'll disagree with the Quran and lean more towards a Christian morality. So, that's not a good way of picking a religion. What does that leave? Let's start with that.
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Posts: 6,084 | I have never heard a Muslim describe a personal relationship with Allah. In Islam, they live their life, and if Allah decides that the good outweighs the bad, they live in paradise. I've heard from a converted Muslim that the specific reason he converted from Islam to Christianity was the personal relationship involved in the Christian faith, which is non-existant in Islam as far as I know. | |||||
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Posts: 2,677 | I didn't read through all the pages, but colostomybag has some good points. I generally agree with him, however I am athiest in the purest sense of the word. I don't support the belief of any higher being, power or force that influences our lives. I support science on matters of creation. I don't believe in the existence of heaven, hell, satan, god... none of it.
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Posts: 741 | religious folks cant prove god atheists cant prove lackthereof you decide
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Posts: 2,202 | What makes Agnoticism better than Creationism? Basically in both cases a believer would be under the impression that the creator made us and then parted ways. | |||||
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