Not when you can't decide whether getting out or going places will send you to hell. ;o

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I'm not a car fan...so I will depart from this part of the convo.

I drive a Buick Regal.
How's that for (NOT) wasting gas!?

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I'm sorry for the bump but this thread is worthy of it.

I believe that Agnosticism IS the way to go because there is not enough proof to me that God exists. There is proof that Jesus existed but not in the way the Bible portrays him. In fact, some believe he was a con-artist who made people believe that he had "divine powers" when, in fact, he did not. I think that Christianity, among other similar religions, is an excuse for people not to fear death. It's a form of self-assurance so that people know there is something after death and that you have something to look forward to rather than to cease existing.

That's just my opinion. Again, sorry for the bump.

I agree 100% on your statement


You can't say god exists because you have faith

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Here's a new theory for discussion.

The reason that people like Shirley Phelps-Roper and the Westboro Baptist Church exist, the reason that Hitler was able to perpetrate the Holocaust against the Jews, the reason that black people were subjected to slavery, the reason that Marshall Applewhite successfully convinced thirty-nine people that they were extraterrestrials and that they should join the Heaven's Gate cult and commit suicide so that their souls could take a ride on a spaceship they believed was hiding behind Comet Hale-Bopp, the reason for all of those things and many, many more abominations is the same exact reason that Christianity and all other religions survive and even flourish to this day. People don't value evidence. Shirley Phelps-Roper was told that God hates fags, so she believes it. Pope Benedict XVI was told that Jesus died for his sins, so he believes it. Neither of them required evidence (or at least what actually constitutes evidence). Hitler told the German people that Jews were to blame for their troubles, so they believed it. Christians on these forums were told that faith is all you need, so they believe it. Any Christian on these forums could have been an SS officer at a Polish death camp. Had you been born into an average German family of the times, you too could have been in charge of spewing poisonous gas into the showers and exterminating an entire race. Not because you're racist, but because you believe that faith is enough to justify a belief. Any Muslim on these forums could have been a member of the Westboro Baptist Church very easily. Had you been adopted at a young enough age by a member of the church, you too could be picketing funerals toting signs proclaiming a vile message of hate. Not because you're a bad person, but because you're willing to believe in something if somebody tells you it's so. Any atheist on this forum (yeah, you too) could have committed suicide along with the rest of the Heaven's Gate cult. Had you been in the same situation as any of the cult members, you too could have sent your soul for a ride on the spaceship hiding behind the Comet Hale-Bopp. Not because you're an idiot, but because you don't value evidence.

The point is this: Christians, you don't believe that Jesus was resurrected because Christianity is right; Muslims, you don't place your faith in Allah because the Quran is the inerrant word of God; atheists, you don't refuse to believe in God because He really isn't there. There's no causal connection between any of those. You don't know that Christianity really is right, you don't know that the Quran is actually the inerrant word of God, you don't know that God really isn't there. Those are all merely subsets of your beliefs, not known facts. You all hold your beliefs because of the environment in which you grew up. You did not examine all of the available options in a rational and reasonable manner. You are all convinced that you're right even though such surety is impossible. If mankind doesn't kill itself first, our descendants are going to laugh at a lot of us. And if there's an afterlife, a lot of you are probably going to feel quite silly.

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Why do you belive in your science books or anything that they teach you at school? Do you ask your teacher for any evidence, or just because it's a text book taught at school it must be 100% accurate?

When your mom says she loves you, can she prove it? Acts of goodness doesn't prove love, you can like somebody and do nice things for them but how do you know they love you. Or do you just think that because she is your mother she must love you?

What about your doctor, when he tells you you have an ear infection or any other infection do you ask him for proof? How sure can you be it's not soemthing else?

You see Colostomizer, somethings in life we have to have faith in and trust people. Our common sense helps with that and a little intelligence always helps. That is why we believe without proof, we trust those people and somethings just feel right, that is why we have faith. No one can prove to you they love you, you just got to trust them. It's the same with God, we all have free will and God wants us to believe on our own. If God appeared in the heavens to give you proof you would believe in him, but would you love him? Or would you just follow his commandments out of fear instead of believing what he has taught us is the right path to salvation?

Germans didn't belive in Hitler, many just followed orders and others were just as evil and maybe more.

Blacks were subjected to slavery because they were overpowered and forced, or do you think they were promised food, condos, and a pimp life elsewhere?

About other cults the answer is simple, some people are just ignorant.

About the Pope believing in Jesus, well we have gone over that evidence and about faith a hundred times and I feel I don't need to explain myself once more.

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Questioning the facts in text books is a stupid example because you can find the original experiments and actually see the evidence. Do not lump them in with other things that are faith based. This is why we have citations and peer reviewed experiments. So you do not have to go question everything in a text book but if you want to, there is not trouble in doing so.

Oh and about that crazy lady. . . . yeah Iowa. She ate too much corn one day. I blame her father. He is the moron that founded that church.

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Listen sonny, if I wanted a clerk from a Blockbuster video store calling my argument stupid I would go to community college and have a discussion about Star Wars being one of the worst movies in cinematic history.

What evidence. Lets talk about the evidence about waht George Washington did, what evidence do we have about that? Nothing! Just what people have left written about him. Better yet about evolution, the only evidence we have is what a crack pot (who married his cousin) wrote a book about how we had evolved form a singled cell organism just because he visited a stupid island where there were some swimming iguanas and stupid turtles. But hey he is a scientist, so it must be true, f..k any mathematical formula or proof right?

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In response to The Colostomizer's post:

Sometimes, I wish I could see what I would be like if I was born elsewhere. It's basically a question of nature versus nurture. I was born 2 or 3 weeks premature, and that probably has a lot of influence. I heard that the doctors said that people born under those conditions tend to go one way or the other; mentally handicapped or genius. There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I like walking that line. I also don't walk in straight lines

Wow... I just realized that I don't make any noticible distinction between MarkedAchilles and The Colostomizer... That's weird. I guess you two have similar posting patterns. You both make great posts, and I guess I subconciously linked you together. Silly brain. Sometimes I feel so seperated from it.

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First off. Lord of the Rings biatch. Not Star Wars

You were talking about text books though. You are now trying to change the subject. Not essays. You are referencing Darwin. That was not a text book now was it? You were talking about books from now, in the science field. Which you know b/c you had to read some of them, have those citations in the back that are almost as long at the book itself. All referencing the experiments and papers on experiments where you can check all the methods, actions, and interpretations of the original scientists who discovered those things and the people that had to review them as well before they were accepted by the rest of the scientific community.

You have a major hard-on for Darwin. I really want one of those jesus fish things, only they say Darwin and the fish has legs. They are awesome and it would look great on my station wagon

I will casually forget that you bashed Blockbuster this time, but next time I am flying down there and slapping you with my rental card.

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