The Bible = FICTION - Page 25

SpLinTeR · #**241** (**permalink**) 05-13-2006

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Originally Posted by xT2Kx Rage
I happen to be a proud supporter of the Church of Scientology! I am also very ignorant and self centered. I have my head SOOOOOOOO far up my ass!

indeed. . . . . . . . . .

ReVeLaTioN · #**242** (**permalink**) 05-14-2006

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Originally Posted by QuickPro

Here is evidence that shows the absurdity of the Christian Bible:

Joshua 10:12-13 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Here the sun and the moon have been commanded to stand still in the sky, giving Joshua’s army more daylight to get it's killing done. This would be a great miracle to occur, if not for the fact that the sun does not move. The sun may be zipping through the galaxy at roughly 600,000 miles per hour, but relative to the earth, the sun is a stationary object. Of course, this great “miracle” supposedly occurred during a time when all the visible objects in the sky were thought to be revolving around the earth. Today, we know this is not the case. The author of this verse was unaware of this fact, and thought that this act of stopping the sun's motion in the sky would show God's great power.

Contradictions:
1.Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Exodus 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

2.Romans 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

3.John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time.
Exodus 33:20 Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father.
John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time.

Genesis 32:30 For I have seen God face to face.
Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

4.Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
Psalm 14:3 There is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Job 1:1 There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright.
Genesis 7:1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
****Jesus claims that he and God are the same being, but makes references that they are two separate entities.

Back to absurdities:
These are just a few of the atrocities committed by a supposedly omnibenevolent god:

Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the cattle.
****I wonder why Pharaoh did not die. He himself was a firstborn.

Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

The Christian Bible is a piece of fictitious literature and that's the truth, sorry to bust your bubble.

Congrats, you have just sent countless people to burn in hell. Good job QuickPro...I bet God appreciates it.

MarkedAchilles · #**243** (**permalink**) 05-14-2006

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Originally Posted by ReVeLaTioN

Congrats, you have just sent countless people to burn in hell. Good job QuickPro...I bet God appreciates it.

We won't know that till he posts it

Scarytophs211 · #**244** (**permalink**) 05-14-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickPro

Here is evidence that shows the absurdity of the Christian Bible:

Joshua 10:12-13 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Here the sun and the moon have been commanded to stand still in the sky, giving Joshua’s army more daylight to get it's killing done. This would be a great miracle to occur, if not for the fact that the sun does not move. The sun may be zipping through the galaxy at roughly 600,000 miles per hour, but relative to the earth, the sun is a stationary object. Of course, this great “miracle” supposedly occurred during a time when all the visible objects in the sky were thought to be revolving around the earth. Today, we know this is not the case. The author of this verse was unaware of this fact, and thought that this act of stopping the sun's motion in the sky would show God's great power.

Contradictions:
1.Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Exodus 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

2.Romans 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

3.John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time.
Exodus 33:20 Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father.
John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time.

Genesis 32:30 For I have seen God face to face.
Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

4.Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
Psalm 14:3 There is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Job 1:1 There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright.
Genesis 7:1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
****Jesus claims that he and God are the same being, but makes references that they are two separate entities.

Back to absurdities:
These are just a few of the atrocities committed by a supposedly omnibenevolent god:

Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the cattle.
****I wonder why Pharaoh did not die. He himself was a firstborn.

Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

The Christian Bible is a piece of fictitious literature and that's the truth, sorry to bust your bubble.

The bible is so highly interpritive you can't judge it by contradictions. Notice most of your contradictions are between the old and new testament.... The bible is more than a book. It is a spirit that has withstood the weathers of time and criticism. The bible is THE WORD OF GOD... and it's interpretive nature is a good thing. Today, 2000 years after the new testament was written, THE BIBLE STILL CAN BE READ WITH MEANING AND LEARNING AND UNDERSTANDING. How can you make contradictions between the old and new testament when it is obvious and known fact that the view of god is different in the mind of the writers between the two testaments? While in the old testament there was a god of wraith and power, in the new testament comes a god of love and forgiveness, the savior.

Are you so unbelievably ignorant to not know that the stories of the bible are not so much as truth as they are to be taken in? The story of adam and eve for instance isn't nesicarially fact..... but the meaning is. Stories of the old testament were never so much written for the facts but for the true meaning; Parable: A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson. Are you so blind sighted to take such far stretching stories as fact and not able to see such obvious meaningful lessons?

You are so ignorant to jugde a book that has withstood so much in time..... and yet you think due to 5 contradictions the whole of the book is fiction? Who are you to judge the word of god? That even through numerous translations and criticisms IT IS STILL KNOWN TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL BOOK YOU CAN READ.

So next time get a better argument before you try and put down a book that is the foundation for two of the three great monotheistic religions of the world and has withstood over 4000 years.

Cursed Lemon · 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarytophs211

The bible is so highly interpritive you can't judge it by contradictions. Notice most of your contradictions are between the old and new testament.... The bible is more than a book. It is a spirit that has withstood the weathers of time and criticism. The bible is THE WORD OF GOD... and it's interpretive nature is a good thing. Today, 2000 years after the new testament was written, THE BIBLE STILL CAN BE READ WITH MEANING AND LEARNING AND UNDERSTANDING. How can you make contradictions between the old and new testament when it is obvious and known fact that the view of god is different in the mind of the writers between the two testaments? While in the old testament there was a god of wraith and power, in the new testament comes a god of love and forgiveness, the savior.

Are you so unbelievably ignorant to not know that the stories of the bible are not so much as truth as they are to be taken in? The story of adam and eve for instance isn't nesicarially fact..... but the meaning is. Stories of the old testament were never so much written for the facts but for the true meaning; Parable: A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson. Are you so blind sighted to take such far stretching stories as fact and not able to see such obvious meaningful lessons?

You are so ignorant to jugde a book that has withstood so much in time..... and yet you think due to 5 contradictions the whole of the book is fiction? Who are you to judge the word of god? That even through numerous translations and criticisms IT IS STILL KNOWN TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL BOOK YOU CAN READ.

So next time get a better argument before you try and put down a book that is the foundation for two of the three great monotheistic religions of the world and has withstood over 4000 years.

So essentially...nobody is right about the Bible, and every single passage has an infinite amount of interpretations that can be drawn from it. That's a real solid religion you have there.

It's pretty easy for a religion to stand the test of time when it's 90% based off human nature/social contract and it can bend to suit the attitude of whatever culture it's brought up in.

BiShoP · #**246** (**permalink**) 05-14-2006

I have something very quick to say, and then I'm heading to bed. Most of those verses there that you listed are not in contradiction with one another.

Exodus verses: God always and will constantly judge sin because it is not congruent to his nature. It is considered defiance, and therefore must be punishable by death. Point in turn, we all die because we are all sinners. When you presented two "conflicting" verses, they were in completely different context. The first was a listing for the people of Israel to abide by, whereas the second was a payment for the sins that rebelling nations have built upon themselves.

Romans and Exodus contradiction: Throughout the Bible, the Lord is described as a variety of different natures. He is the Lord of Justice, and the Lord of Grace; the Lord of war, and the Lord of peace. How is this possible? We have to understand that in the linear mindframe, we cannot comprehend how this is possible because they are considered polar opposites to one another, but the truth of the matter is that the Lord is the Lord of mercy, grace, and love, yet at the exact same time is the Lord of wrath. Don't ask me why or try to rationalize it, because the truth is that you cant do it.

I'm going to skip the next few you list simply because I chose not to delve into literal Greek and ebrew when trying to interpret, and the response would be unbearably long.

Referring to Jesus deity: Its actually quite ironic that we are talking about this because this is the main topic we discussed in my church today.
The trinity is composed of three persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet they are one God. When you think Father, and Son, you automatically think a father, who procreated a son, therefore, many come to the conclusion that Jesus is simply an offspring of God, or a created being. This is far from teh truth. Using the verses you gave, I will decode the mystery for you.

The trinity is composed of the three persons of God, yet there is no confusing of the persons or divinding of the substance of God himself. When Christ said that he and the Father were one, that speaks truth that God the Father = Jesus Christ.

He who has seen me has seen the Father is what Christ says, and it is true, because we just said that Jesus and the Father are one substance.

You reply with saying that Jesus himself claimed that the Father is greater than he. At the present time that was true because Jesus was composed as an incarnate being whle retaining his substance as God. By claiming that the Father is greater than he, it was not claiming superiority, but rather explaining the role Christ played because he was incarnate as opposed to the Father in heaven.

Luke 18:19: Why do you call me good - No one is good but God alone. This didn't negate anything, but was more or less a rhetorical statement of Christ who was affirming whether or not the man believed Jesus to be God.

Regarding not knowing the time or the hour: Jesus, when he came to earth, became incarnate. The Bible tells us that Christ humbled himself and took on the role as a bondservant, meaning that when Christ humbled himself, he limited himself. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, however Jesus in the incarnation removed various aspects of this. We know he wasn't omnipresent, or everywhere at once because he was a human, and the same is applied to his omniscience, meaning that he purposefully limited his own omniscience when he was a human because that aspect did not play a vital role in his ministry here on earth.

PS- I'm leaving on tuesday for 3 weeks, so don't expect a rebuttal to anything you might say.

the educat0r · #**247** (**permalink**) 05-14-2006

Bishop, you are the Christian Colostomizer/Marked Achilles, except cooler.
I don't know what to say after what Bishop said, but I will edit shortly, hopefully.

StickDeath · #**248** (**permalink**) 05-14-2006

I'm sorry, but it is sheer stupidity to not believe in a superior being. If you go through life thinking that once we die we rot in the ground with no afterlife then life starts to get rather depressing. All I am saying is, believe that someone created this world we live in, and not the ridiculous theory that two rocks in the galaxy colided and we were magically born.

Captain 67 · #**249** (**permalink**) 05-15-2006

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Originally Posted by XxDevastator

Im not a religous person andim not sure if there really is a god.....

Okay, what does this have to do with the thread itself?

It's a debate.

That isn't debating.

Cursed Lemon · #**250** (**permalink**) 05-15-2006

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Originally Posted by StickDeath

I'm sorry, but it is sheer stupidity to not believe in a superior being. If you go through life thinking that once we die we rot in the ground with no afterlife then life starts to get rather depressing. All I am saying is, believe that someone created this world we live in, and not the ridiculous theory that two rocks in the galaxy colided and we were magically born.

Thank you for that enlightening passage, complete with well-backed points and strong insight.

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