What in the world is minisculy funny about that statement at all?

It proves nothing, but that you can state an empty claim.

Since when does popularity rule over reality?

Since when does ease of influence rule over logic and reasoning?

I once saw a presentation of a man who went across the world with techniques of influence and manipulation to try and get a personal endorsement/transformation of belief/acceptance of truth out of prominent figures in a wide variety of supernatural/religious/sceptical stages.

He went to a priest, a pastor, a psychic, a demonologist, a fortune teller, a water finder, a ufo researcher, and the list goes on.

He convinced every single one of them of his experiences relative specific to their field.

After they were convinced, he said it was all bullsh.t and that he influenced and manipulated everything they conceived with a variety of psychological and physical tricks for the mind and body.

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Regarding evidence and the Bible...

Has the man who wrote on this stone tablet been interviewed?

If so, how reliable is he as a source?

Are there any outside factors in this case?

These questions all need to be asked, that's why witness accounts are the least viable in court and in this matter, science and history.

Regardless, what does the historical existence of Pontius Pilate have to do with validating the stories told in the Bible or that it somehow is congruent/translates to the reality of God, and Jesus being born a virgin, and angels coming down and speaking with people, and so on?

That's called superstition.

The belief that of an unrelated cause which is attached to an unrelated effect.

No you haven't in the slightest.

There is no such foolishness or ignorance to be had.

The realities and history outside of the Bible being present is forever fine and dandy, but attaching it to the truth and reality of the Bible is f..king ignorant and foolish.

Superstition yet again.

Who cares if they were real people or not! It's the specific events and correlations that they are attached to which are absurd.

No, that's a cop out.

I'm not angry, just passionate.

And even if I was angry, I have all the right to be - your display of utter ignorance and impoliteness for not caring what one has to say, or at least be impressionable to sway your beliefs when presenting evidence from reality is offensive and insulting to say the least.

If any of what what you said was true Vrbas, I suggest you bow out and leave if you accept that you are willing to disregard and in fact ignore common courtesy and etiquette as well as rules of debate.

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No, that's not at all what I insinuated or said.

Your avoiding the point.

It's rude and ignorant to convey the maturity of a little child.

You call it hostility when someone feels offended and insulted when you say "regardless of whatever points or evidence you put forth, while I find it trivial and humoring, I will not be swayed and will hold strong and solid in my beliefs so I see fit." ?

That's being set in your ways.

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Well i guess i'm in the wrong here. I sincerely apologize for offending and "insulting" you simply because i don't believe what you do. Wow.

How about this: YOU WIN BORAT. There, that's what you want to hear isn't it? Now maybe you'll be a bit more accepting of anything that comes out of my mouth and onto the boards, right? I retract my former belief in a superior being and succumb to the consensus of an online forum.

I really am not sure what you're asking of me Borat, but i do know that right now I am not the one that is violating etiquette, courtesy, and simple politeness. I don't mean to be a crybaby, but nothing that i've said was taken into consideration and was pushed aside as simple jiber jaber, while at the same time I understand and at least take into consideration what others have to say (yes, even you Borat). Who knows, in all honesty I could be reconsidering my beliefs as a Christian. But with your ignorance and blind arrogance, you wouldn't even recognize that (you really wouldn't, so why so quick to condemn?). I say this in the most respectful way possible: You DO NOT know what others are going through in life and to assume that they are stupid, illogical, and foolish demands the puniest amount of respect from anyone.

I am washing my hands clean of this thread as it is obvious that people aren't as tolerant or considerate as I once saw here in the forums

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Nah, you're just wrong and have a completely skewed idea.

But you can preach about how I didn't have respect, when I clearly said that I had respect for people's belief so much so and took it as a serious matter that I am very passionate about being an honest person who try to reason and find logical ways of things no matter how far I can be from it.

But somehow you just emptly flipped it and then called me ignorant and disrespectful.

Why? Cause I said f..k a couple times and said you're ignorant when you were obviously being so?

I don't know what kind of tolerance or acceptance you expect towards someone so insulting as to say, "nothing will waver my beliefs."

Heart card all day though, as it's become quite frequent, bawwwwwwww.

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Vrbas, it's a debate. You lost, as most Christians do, and they say "It's my beliefs WAA WAA, nothing you say will change it bla bla."

You tried providing evidence and when you realized it was invalid you pulled the whole "It's my beliefs card". BTW, atheists don't have a belief, it's the lack of. If the truth hurts, then leave. Sorry.

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I'll even go above and beyond and set aside all that to have a common discussion.

Let's both take a deep breath, set aside differences, and come to a common discussion.

I think we can both agree, or at least, set a basis for understanding that all life as we know it and can experience is all relatively inside and around us.

I then ask, how would the developement of the idea of God come about, and even moreso, be validated by the rules and laws that we live by in this life/reality?

I mean, that's what we go by for everything else in life, why should the idea of God be any different?

Everything in our world works interconnectively, like a ripple effect; contantly influencing and intertwining - thus which that one can only go through life enjoying and learning "what is" and disregarding the rest.

There is no seperation in life, only levels of balance and complexity, different tiers and such.

Why should anything be of or outside of this?

Now you tell me I treat this forum "as a forum over the internet" and not passionately and thoughtfully. I might treat other sections as though, but I find the debate section an important section, one I love the most.

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Hmm alright Borat here we go explain this.

Once while praying the rosary my fathers rosary turned gold in his hands with people around including myself. Explain that... was it spray-painted by the invisible man?

My mom's friend was in an accident in which she was going to be blind(declared by doctors) for the rest of her life. A priest is in her room and slips a crucifix slightly under her eye wraps, prays for a minte, leaves. Next day she retains sight... Doctor couldn't believe it and converted to christianity.

I have more, you explain those two and I'll go on with personal ones.

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Are you kidding?

Honestly.

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No.. I'm not. And i'll take that as a you can't explain it.

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Like the argument from personal experiences haven't been debunked before. Get with times. You're displaying old arguments.


And What goes through your mind that makes you think these personal experience arguments help anything to begin with.

# Christianity: 2.1 billion
# Islam: 1.5 billion
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# Hinduism: 900 million
# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
# Buddhism: 376 million
# primal-indigenous: 300 million
# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
# Sikhism: 23 million
# Juche: 19 million
# Spiritism: 15 million
# Judaism: 14 million
# Baha'i: 7 million
# Jainism: 4.2 million
# Shinto: 4 million
# Cao Dai: 4 million
# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism: 1 million
# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
# Scientology: 500 thousand

Every religion claims to have had miracles happen while praying to there god. Its not like its just Christianity lol.

Honestly.

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