Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

everything has a beginning and an end. Except God, he is infinite, he was not created, and he will not die. Quite an easy answer, just hard for non believers to swallow their pride and believe it that's all.

Originally Posted by davobrosia

If you read the Bible, you should know better than I not to take everything literally.
Oh, so god exists because god exists!


Of course; why didn't I think of that?!

That was a wonderfully circular argument there, but this here's the Debate Forum, not Sunday School. In all your roundabout sentences, you didn't really say anything other than god exists. This place isn't for you to proselytize people, and you're not going to win anyone over with such insipid drivel anyway.


*sigh* You're right. What was I thinking, making a value judgment when I don't know what I'm talking about? Oh, right, I do. Now I have a few questions for you concerning the Bible:
Do you believe the Bible to be infallible?
Is god warlike or peaceful?
Did Jesus baptize anyone?
If god is omnipotent, how do you explain Judges 1:19 (especially when compared to Judges 4:13-16)?
Who was Jesus's grandfather on Joseph's side?
Does god repent?
Why should I respect a god who punished Ham for stumbling on his naked father, whom god feels is "a just man and perfect" (Genesis 6:9, Genesis 9:20-21)?
Do you agree that bats are fowls?
Should women be allowed to talk in church (1 Cor. 14:34-36)?
How do you account for all the unfulfilled and absurd prophecies in the Bible? And all the blatant misogyny and cruelty?

For now, we'll just ignore the problem of free will and a perfectly omniscient being coexisting and other logical impossibilities that a deity causes. You're not yet ready to step outside your bible, so we can keep it there.


That's a copout. Nothing that exists is immune to the laws of logic.

Originally Posted by Shadow Hawk

if they delay it again i'd be so anooyed because it's been delayed so much already. Delay this, delay that. So many delays. How many more delays are there goona be?

Originally Posted by EmptyProduction

Well isn't that a easy way to get out of that question.

"If God doesn't need a creator why not say the step and conclude the universe doesn't need a creator"

Its just hard for believers to swallow their pride and believe it.

Originally Posted by Shadow Hawk

if they delay it again i'd be so anooyed because it's been delayed so much already. Delay this, delay that. So many delays. How many more delays are there goona be?

Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

I'm just telling you what The Bible says man. To say the universe doesn't need a creator is false if you read what I wrote. EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end, except God. Therefore the universe was created. And i know its hard to believe all this "God stuff". You think I became a Christian overnight?

Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

I actually never said he exists because he exists, I said no matter how much you say he doesn't, that doesn't diminish the fact that he does.

Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

I'm just telling you what The Bible says man. To say the universe doesn't need a creator is false if you read what I wrote. EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end, except God. Therefore the universe was created. And i know its hard to believe all this "God stuff". You think I became a Christian overnight?

Originally Posted by EmptyProduction

Do you also believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs lived with man when both have been proven false?

Or were those just created by satan?

Originally Posted by Shadow Hawk

if they delay it again i'd be so anooyed because it's been delayed so much already. Delay this, delay that. So many delays. How many more delays are there goona be?

Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

Ironic you ask the dino/6,000 year old earth question. Im studying a theological issue right now titled "old earth vs new earth" which is basically debating the same issues. But to be honest people have been arguing about theological issues forever, and always will continue too. Here's the link to the site... www.sfpulpit.com . Theology isn't what Im arguing here though. And no satan didn't create them. God created dinosaurs. God created EVERYTHING

Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

I'm just telling you what The Bible says man. To say the universe doesn't need a creator is false if you read what I wrote. EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end, except God. Therefore the universe was created. And i know its hard to believe all this "God stuff". You think I became a Christian overnight?

Originally Posted by davobrosia

No, I don't want to "discuss" them, I want you to account for them. I'm not asking you to explain anything to me; I'm well versed in theology and how I feel about christianity is of no consequence to you. So you can dodge them all you want, as you've demonstrated beyond doubt that you missed the point. They're rhetorical questions anyway.

I'm not taking chunks "here and there"; like I said, what I pointed out is an incredibly small fraction of what I'm prepared to post given the space and time. And none of it is They're legitimate questions that serve to illustrate in part just why the Bible's an essentially worthless document written by humans with human interests in mind and human flaws rife within.


Let me guess: you were living in the dark as an ignorant atheist and then you were given the Bible after growing up never having been indoctrinated into christianity, and you read it and said to yourself "Hey, this all really makes a lot of sense!"?

Originally Posted by Shadow Hawk

if they delay it again i'd be so anooyed because it's been delayed so much already. Delay this, delay that. So many delays. How many more delays are there goona be?

Originally Posted by sC DeLAy

The fact you dont want to discuss them and just want all the answers right here right now shows your immaturity for understanding abstact ideas. So just because you cant have an answer right away means it must be wrong.

Actually they are chunks, you took about 3 verses of the bible when it has thousands and thousands. You obviously dont believe the bible, and before you even let your heart soften and begin to accept the fact that maybe it is true, youll just keep trying to find ways to say how it isnt true.

I actually was never atheist. And the second half of that sentence sounds a lot like yourself if you were to ever read the entire bible and become a christian, have to admit, it would be a good testimony though.