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Originally Posted by sC DeLAy First it isn't a rag it's the best selling book in the history of Earth. |
If you read the Bible, you should know better than I not to take everything literally.
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Second, doesn't matter how much you say God doesn't exist, that doesn't diminish the fact that He does.
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Oh, so god exists because god exists!
Of course; why didn't I think of that?!
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Here's an example to help you understand what I just said. Let's say it's raining, and you believe that if you go outside you aren't going to get wet, it doesn't matter how much you believe you aren't going to get wet, because if you go outside, you in fact will, no matter how much you believe that you won't. Kind of the same as God, no matter how much you believe God doesn't exist, doesn't take away from the fact that he does.  |
That was a wonderfully circular argument there, but this here's the Debate Forum, not Sunday School. In all your roundabout sentences, you didn't really say anything other than god exists. This place isn't for you to proselytize people, and you're not going to win anyone over with such insipid drivel anyway.
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Originally Posted by sC DeLAy You've most likely never even read as much as a page in The Bible so I'm not even going to get into what it says. I guess it could be a load of crap. But once you read the whole thing you'll probably think different, then come talk to me  |
*sigh* You're right. What was I thinking, making a value judgment when I don't know what I'm talking about? Oh, right, I do. Now I have a few questions for you concerning the Bible:
Do you believe the Bible to be infallible?
Is god warlike or peaceful?
Did Jesus baptize anyone?
If god is omnipotent, how do you explain Judges 1:19 (especially when compared to Judges 4:13-16)?
Who was Jesus's grandfather on Joseph's side?
Does god repent?
Why should I respect a god who punished Ham for stumbling on his drunk, naked father, whom god feels is "a just man and perfect" (Genesis 6:9, Genesis 9:20-21)?
Do you agree that bats are fowls?
Should women be allowed to talk in church (1 Cor. 14:34-36)?
How do you account for all the unfulfilled and absurd prophecies in the Bible? And all the blatant misogyny and cruelty? I can provide a few hundred more specific passages, if you'd like.
For now, we'll just ignore the problem of free will and a perfectly omniscient being coexisting and other logical impossibilities that a deity brings to the table. You're not yet ready to step outside your bible, so we can keep the discussion there.
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Originally Posted by sC DeLAy everything has a beginning and an end. Except God, he is infinite, he was not created, and he will not die. Quite an easy answer, just hard for non believers to swallow their pride and believe it that's all. |
That's a copout. Nothing that exists is immune to the laws of logic.