Spirituality can be expressed and it has nothing to do with the supernatural or any of a god's givings.

There are greater experiences that outlay normal behavior that we experience from day to day; this can be miscommunicated as god's will or god's love, it is merely a gift and talent of our own minds and nature.

Spirituality should not sway you to adopt any sort of religion; people make the mistake of putting the blame on a god instead of our minds and nature.

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It should be noted that you cannot have true love without hatred. Love always has hate to contrast it. Here are some examples, if you love peace then you will hate war, and if you love war then you will hate peace. If you love truth you will hate lies also, you see.

God loves righteousness, so He hates sin because sin is unrighteous. The wordly concept of God being all-love and nothing but love is not true to the Scriptures. It is a false god and a false teaching. God is love, but He is not all love and nothing else. He is love, but He is also holy. Holiness and sin do not go together because they are against each other. Sin is breaking God's Law. Sin is a spit in the face of God Who has been benevolent to us and given us life and air to breath, water to drink, food to eat, and clothes on our bodies, homes to live in, etc. It is almost like we spit in His face whenever we choose to sin against Him.

Hell was created for the devil and his angels as a place of eternal punishment for them for their rebellion against Him in Heaven. Hell was not meant for mankind, but only for the devil and his angels originally. Whenver mankind chose to go the same path as Satan and sin against God, man sentenced himself to this place called Hell. To save mankind from the mess that we got ourselves into, God sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the penalty for our sins on Calvary by shedding His blood and dying for our sins on the cross. Christ bore our sins in His own body. He knew no sin(because He was sinless and perfect) and yet, He became sin for us. He tasted of God's wrath on the cross. God punished His Son for the wrong that we did against Him, and Jesus willingly took the punishment for us out of the love that He had, God's love. This was God's love towards humanity demonstrated to us at Calvary.

Not everyone will be treated the same, in punishments or rewards, because God is just and must reward every man according to their works. Works do not save us or get us out of Hell(see Romans 4:5, and Ephesians 2:8-9), only believing on Jesus Christ saves us and gets us to Heaven, but works do determine a Christians degree of rewards in Heaven(for example, Christians who lived for Christ with their whole heart and were strong soulwinners will be rewarded more than those Christians who did little for the Lord and lived for themselves more than for God) and a non-Christians degree of punishment in Hell(for example, someone who heard the gospel multiple times and yet rejected it over and over will burn a lot hotter in Hell than someone who did not hear a clear presentation of the gospel).

God's love is shown to us at the blood-soaked cross of Calvary where the Lamb of God hanged and bled and died for our transgressions, but God's wrath and fury will be shown in it's final and eternal demonstration in the lake of fire towards those who do not believe on His Son to save them from their sins. The only hope we have of escaping Hellfire is to turn to the resurrected Christ, Jesus the Son of God. The Bible says "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13). It's simple. Call upon Jesus Christ and ask Him to save you from your sins, and trust Him and Him alone to save you, and He will. We can't get to Heaven by our good deeds or by religion, but only by God's grace through faith alone in the blood of Christ. Faith alone in Jesus Christ is the Biblical way to Heaven.

The portion in bold is what I find interesting. You claim that no-one can be saved by works alone, and I addressed that in another thread, but you do say that you are rewarded/punished by the virtue of your works. The first part - that works can't save you - is justified within the context of the New Testament, but the second part is completely unsubstantiated. Can you provide a Biblical passage that supports that?

"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.” - C.S. Lewis

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Works don't save us period. We are not saved by works, or by faith and works together, but simply faith alone in Jesus Christ(see Romans 4:5). There is Biblical evidence for the other parts I mentioned about degrees of rewards and punishments, but I did not give the references and for that I apolegize.

Here is for degrees of punisments in Hell; Scriptures that show us evidence of different degrees of punishment:

See Luke 10:13-14, Matthew 23:14(notice how Christ says "the greater damnation"), and Revelation 20:13(notice that they are judged according to their works. We are not judged by our works to get to Heaven and to be saved because our works are not good enough to save us, in fact, works cannot save us--see Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9, so then what are they judged according to their works for? Perhaps degrees of punishment in the lake of fire?).

Also, notice how Revelation 21:8 says "their part" after listing the types of sinners, such as liars. Each person has their own part in the lake of fire.

As for degrees of rewards in Heaven for Christians, there will be different crowns rewarded to Christians:

See I Corinthians 9:24-27, I Thessolonians 2:19-20, James 1:12, Revelation 2:10, II Timothy 4:8, and I Peter 5:2-4.

These crowns mentioned in the Scriptures above are for Christians as rewards for serving Christ, not to get us saved and into Heaven, but they are simply rewards that await some of us Christians in Heaven depending on how we serve God from the moment He saves us on forward. How we get to Heaven and how we get to Hell is not determined on our works, but simply by rather or not we believe on Jesus Christ(meaning whether or not we rely upon Him to save us from our sins). We are justified by grace through faith alone in the blood of Jesus Christ, apart from any of our works. Simply believing on Jesus saves us and gets us into Heaven. However, once we are saved, how we live for Him determines our position in Heaven and our treasures there.

Straight up yo.

You nailed it. I would agree with you completely. I wish I was as articulet as you, and could express what I am truly thinking. Because I sound like shat 1/2 the time I try to express my thoughts through typing in a forum haha :P.

EDIT: Btw, hope that answered your question Butthair.

Oh and whoever posted above look_unto_Jesus, C.S. Lewis is the shiznat fo sho.

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Levels for punishment? Punishment for eternity. So, some atheist scientist who managed to clean up some of the stuff which God was having trouble with, i.e. curing AIDS, cancer, producing 100% renewable energy etc. would be punished to a degree for ETERNITY just because God didn't get his satisfaction. Come on, man. Punishment to any degree for eternity is f..ked up. Just think about an eternity for a second, well, try. A million years, a billion after that, a trillion after that, then a quadrillion years x (9.9 x 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999^999) x infinity. God is all-loving my ass.

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You're such a b..ch lol, like you really are.

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LMFAO!!! I and E Nomini Patri destroyed the validity of the New Testament in another thread, so everything he has to say is worthless. I've been debating on the morality of your god, rather than what is only written in the New Testament.

I bet you did, lol.

BORAT, I honestly don't know why I respond to your immaturity...
You do the same exact thing with Niceguy and davo. Hypocrite?

Guy above BORAT, what's wrong with reaping what you sow? In this case, what's wrong with going to hell for eternity if you don't believe in God? How does that make him not all loving?

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