No it's because you don't debate and what you
attempt to pass off as debate suggests that you know next to nothing about reality. You don't even try to learn what we are spoonfeeding you.
We ARE Primates, other Primates are our close relatives. We look similar to all of them for the same reason you look similar to your parents. Morphological similarities are evidence for common ancestry, and you can follow the line all the way down to micro-organisms. With other Apes we share morphology, physiology, GENETICS,
psychology...
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Intermediate fossils include:
-Australopithecus afarensis, from 3.9 to 3.0 million years ago (Mya). Its skull is similar to a chimpanzee's, but with more humanlike teeth. Most (possibly all) creationists would call this an ape, but it was bipedal.
-Australopithecus africanus (3 to 2 Mya); its brain size, 420-500 cc, was slightly larger than A. afarensis, and its teeth yet more humanlike.
-Homo habilis (2.4 to 1.5 Mya), which is similar to australopithecines, but which used tools and had a larger brain (650-cc average) and less projecting face.
-Homo erectus (1.8 to 0.3 Mya); brain size averaged about 900 cc in early H. erectus and 1,100 cc in later ones. (Modern human brains average 1,350 cc.)
-A Pleistocene Homo sapiens which was "morphologically and chronologically intermediate between archaic African fossils and later anatomically modern Late Pleistocene humans" (White et al. 2003, 742).
-A hominid combining features of, and possibly ancestral to, Neanderthals and modern humans (Bermudez de Castro et al. 1997).
There is abundant genetic evidence for the relatedness between humans and other apes:
-Humans have twenty-three chromosome pairs; apes have twenty-four. Twenty-two of the pairs are similar between humans and apes. The remaining two ape chromosomes appear to have joined; they are similar to each half of the remaining human chromosome (chromosome 2; Yunis and Prakash 1982).
-The ends of chromosomes have repetitious telomeric sequences and a distinctive pretelomeric region. Such sequences are found in the middle of human chromosome 2, just as one would expect if two chromosomes joined (IJdo et al. 1991).
-A centromere-like region of human chromosome 2 corresponds with the centromere of the ape chromosome (Avarello et al. 1992).
-Humans and chimpanzees have innumerable sequence similarities, including shared pseudogenes such as genetic material from ERVs (endogenous retroviruses; Taylor 2003; Max 2003).
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC050.html
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Not only is it impossible to define all apes (living or dead) collectively without describing humans along with them, but we have a more complete fossil sequence than virtually any other animal lineage. There hasn't been a link still "missing" between humans and other apes in decades. Really the biggest trick behind identifying fossils humans is trying to find a consistent definition for what makes us human to begin with.
Each of these is an "ape", [Hominioidea]. Which ones are human? Some scientists consider all but a couple of the skulls above to be human, and some creationists reject all but a couple of the skulls below. How we determine our humanity in this case?
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Both the human and chimp genomes have been sequenced. The results? Out of the ~200,000 ERV’s present in the human genome only
82 are not found in the chimp genome. In the chimp genome, only 280 can not be found in the human genome. That means that hundreds of thousands of ERV’s are shared between humans (sources: the human genome paper and the chimp genome paper referenced at the end of the post). The 360 total ERV’s that are not shared represent insertions since the chimp and human lineages diverged. This is also evidenced by the fact that these unshared ERV’s often contain env, gag, and pol genes which is consistent with a recent insertion event.
But what about the nested hierarchy that I mentioned above? If we pull back the zoom lens and look at all primates we see exactly that pattern of shared ERV’s.
Every species to the right of each arrow along the tree has those ERV’s at the same genomic position, the exact pattern that common ancestry would produce.
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Humans as well as
Simians have no enzymatic capability to manufacture vitamin C. The cause of this phenomenon is that the last enzyme in the synthesis process, L-gulonolactone oxidase, cannot be made because the gene for this enzyme, Pseudogene ΨGULO, is defective.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html
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"Humans differ from both common chimps and bonobos in about 1.6% of DNA, and share 98.4%. Gorillas differ somewhat more, by about 2.3%, from us and from both of the chimps. Humans differ from orangutans by 3.6% of DNA, and from gibbons and siamangs by 5%."
--Diamond, Jared. "The Third Chimpanzee," in The Great Ape Project.
New York : St. Martin's Press, 1993. Pp. 94-95. (as quoted by
Primates.com)
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1963: Keith Reemtsma of the United States transplanted a chimpanzee kidney into a human patient who lasted 63 days. Another one lived nine months with the kidney operating for six.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873688.html
Data on blood groups of chimpanzees, baboons and macaques.
Two complex chimpanzee blood group systems, V-A-B-D and R-C-E-F systems, proved to be counterparts of the human MNS and Rh-Hr blood group systems, respectively. Two blood group systems have been defined in Old World monkeys: the Drh system of macaques and the Bp system of baboons, both linked by at least one species shared by either of the blood group systems.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6775134
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The only reason anyone objects to evolution is for religious reasons, and the only religious reason is
to defend a literal interpretation of dogma which cannot be literally interpreted and still be considered 'truth'.
There is no evidence from any source anywhere to indicate any separate origin of humans apart from all other life-forms. Instead, literally everything we know about anything at all from any relevant field of scientific study ever all overwhelmingly demands that this creature called man is a really big monkey and a brilliant ape who shares common ancestors with every other living thing on Earth.
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