my parents at the moment are making me be a catholic but i can choose for myseld, i dont belive in god for me its just a made up story people believe in because they dont know what to believe. but once i make my comfomation (i have no choice me an dmy family have been through many fights over this) i never have to go back to church and my comformation will mean nothing to me.

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So how does people starving, people still eating meat, people still dying, among many other things, show that the New Testament is true?

If anything, it completely disproves it, as the "messiah" came and went about 2000 years ago.

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I'm an atheist because God and the Bible are ridiculous. It saddens me that in this day and age, with all our technology and knowledge, the vast majority of the world believes that an entity in the sky created the universe and Earth in 7 days, can read the thoughts and minds of every single person on Earth, find their sins, punish them for their sins, bring people back from the dead, and meanwhile juggle the other trillion kilometers of empty useless space he uses to "taunt" us or some bullsh.t.

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Why am I atheist? To say that I am, would be a complete lie, for in fact, I am not.

It is overwhelming to come here and see how many people on this forum deny any existence of a God. Throughout my life, I have been in frequent debates over my religion, but more so on interpretations of the Bible and not the [basic] existence of a deity.

But, I went through quite a few months last year completely denying every theological teaching I had ever been given and struggled with believing, myself, that there was a God. I denied my parents, and basically my first 17 years of my life. It was a rough time, but the only guidance I was given by my father was to simply go back, and read the Bible. I did, and finally realized what I truly believe. I believe in the Bible and its teachings. Meaning, I believe in a God and that Jesus is the son of God. This probably means that I am, indeed, a minority in this forum. But I'm fine with that.

What bothers me is when people criticize another's beliefs [or lack there of in the case of athiesm] when in fact neither position can and will ever be fully proven. This is what I have learned as I struggled with my accepting my own belief. Christianity is based on faith. It's something I cannot visually see, but instead a feeling infested inside of me and have faith to believe it to be true. I know many of you all must have logical proof of everything, but dealing with religion, you won't always find it. I myself, must always have logical reasoning behind doing something, but dealing with religion, I have learned that logical proof is not going to be found. Why you ask? Because if there was logical proof for the existence of a God, then everyone would accept it to be true without being passionate about it. Having faith in something you cannot see or prove is more glorifying/satisfying than simply receiving facts and [knowing] them to be true. God won't give us this desired proof because by understanding his existence, man would be on the same level of a jealous God. Without this faith, my belief is nothing. But, wouldn't my religion be radically weak (and wrong) if only based on faith and not science? No. Scientific theories are not, believe it or not, unchangeable; common sense will tell you that. Saying that one cannot prove that God exists, so he doesn't is a burden of proof fallacy. Likewise, saying that you can't prove that God doesn't exist, therefore he does is the same burden of proof fallacy. So, one cannot prove that God doesn't exist because scientific facts are not full-proof, and neither can I prove that He does. Many of you have said to not believe in a God because the belief is too radical to be proven. But, this would hold true more so in the agnostic belief that a higher being is unknown and not provable, whereas athiestic belief is actually the full absence of belief in any supreme being. (I know, people have stated that they simply do not believe in a God, but judging by all of the pages, it seems most simply do not believe because it cannot be proven). So again, the belief in a God is more or less having the faith that one exists. If you are not willing to humble yourself in having faith that a higher power exists, then your belief is just as justifiable as mine and I will not judge you either way and I would hope you to do the same.

Wowee, that is one wall of text. But, if you read and at least respect what I had to say, then of course, I will respect yours as well.

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Didn't read the whole thread and this is in response to the TC's question. I am an atheist simply from my own experiences. My parents never made me go to any religious ceremony unless I told them I wanted to. I'm proud and happy to say that I've formed my beliefs on my own. Sure I've seen things that have convince me further, but my original convictions hold pretty firm. I believe in justice for humanity by humanity. I don't believe people should take orders from a book. But anyways, I've been to a variety of churches but I never see what I hope to see there. I am not atheist by choice. However, in the world we live in, I simply can not believe there is a god.

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Wowee, scientific law is fullproof.

Hence, it's the fact that it's law.

Law of Conservation of Matter > Genisis

Reality is also subjective by the way; what you're stating isn't a revelation or anything. Most of the debate going on in these threads are debates on facts, consistencies within religous texts/doctrines/dogmas etc., and on poorly interpreted scientific theory.

Occasionaly you'll see some psychology info coming from NG or Davo, but the stuff they say is so hard to grasp it's normally ignored. (I can't understand half of what they say.)

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logical inconsitencies in the Bible and the idea of God.

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Just to touch on one thing you mentioned about your subjective experiences that pursue you to accept god; many of these spiritual encounters/revelations are an example of congnitive realization of a greater happiness in life, something found beyond the mere repitance of daily hobbies and things that edge us away from boredom, doubt, and displeasure.

What I believe, is these accounts of God, are truly realizations of a deeper happiness or revelation of one's inner self/being being misconstrued as God or what have you.

PS - Why are you an atheist thread, Wowee

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I guess I don't completely deny the possibility of a God, so I don't know if I'm fully an atheist. All I can say is, I don't have faith in any of it, which is why I usually consider myself an atheist. Besides, Christianity takes too much work. A funner form of theism is FSMism; if I were to completely believe something solely off faith, I would already have a pirate outfit for Fridays.

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<Th3No0b> Im going to be the next hitler
<Th3No0b> Im going to kill all the jews and 1 clown
<RageAgainsttheAmish> why the clown
<Th3No0b> See? no one cares about the jews
<RageAgainsttheAmish> lmao

Because of the scientific evidence supporting it.

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