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MarkedAchilles
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Fun is a reason to kill.

Lots of animals kill for fun.
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Fun is a reason to kill.

Lots of animals kill for fun.
I would assume in most cases when a animal is killing something or trying to kill that "oh boy this is fun" isn't going through there mind.

I would imagine there doing it because they know if they dont eat there going to die. Or perhaps they are trying to protect there children. Or its just self defense.

But we burn cats just to see them suffer and apparently we throw dogs off of cliffs as well.
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Dolphins kill other sea mammals for fun.
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Animals = Human? Hmmmmm. The concept of a soul and a conscience are brought into question here if you could classify us on the same standard of living. Granted many people don't believe in such thing as a soul or a conscience, therefore it doesn't matter what i say. Regardless, i believe animals are on a completely different scale than we are as far as "sentient". God created man to rule over the animals. BUT, God did not implant animals w/ a soul, or per say even the concept of right and wrong. I'm not saying they aren't important, they just aren't the pinnacle (i believe) of God's creation.

I believe putting animals on the same level as humans (aka sentient), is mistake number one... And seeing how many of the points following are dependent upon that, it's kinda eating away at the validity of the argument.
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Animals = Human? Hmmmmm. The concept of a soul and a conscience are brought into question here if you could classify us on the same standard of living. Granted many people don't believe in such thing as a soul or a conscience, therefore it doesn't matter what i say. Regardless, i believe animals are on a completely different scale than we are as far as "sentient". God created man to rule over the animals. BUT, God did not implant animals w/ a soul, or per say even the concept of right and wrong. I'm not saying they aren't important, they just aren't the pinnacle (i believe) of God's creation.

I believe putting animals on the same level as humans (aka sentient), is mistake number one... And seeing how many of the points following are dependent upon that, it's kinda eating away at the validity of the argument.
The problem that arises when bringing in the argument of a soul is one deeply routed in religion. Answer me this - what worth does a soul have?

The bread and butter of my argument is as follows: according to theists, god is infinitely more 'complex' and intelligent than we are, right? Comparing god to humans is akin to comparing humans to bacteria (but god is infinitely superior to humans, while humans are only millions of times superior to bacteria). Despite that, god has accorded humans rights, and wouldn't kill humans for fun because, even though we're pitifully small compared to god, we deserve not to die a horrible death (though, god does kill innocent people throughout the Old Testament in absolutely horrible ways . . .).

From the perspective of a theist, then, we must show the same compassion go has show us, to the Animal Kingdom, right? God cares about us, no matter how absurdly inferior we are in thought, consciousness and biology.
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Animals = Human? Hmmmmm.
Could you please provide a definition of 'Animals' that doesn't include Humans?
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Animals are self-programmed, in a way, to survive and to take care of their young.
The implication of rights demands that the being will have the ability to make a decision in some way. Animals don't decide, "should I eat this fruit or no", they act according to instinct rather than emotion and reason, like humans.
Though obviously animalsm are entitled to fair treatment, they should definately never be treated as equal to human. Just THINK about what that implies.
 
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Why is it that we're debating wether animals should be given rights, when we are killing innoncent children that are unwanted by our selfish society?
I'm not saying thats what abortion IS, but it often entails the extermination of a human life in the womb when the pregnancy extends into the later stages/
 
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Abortion is completely different.

Fetus' don't have a opinion or a deep enough conscious.
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Neither do babies outside of the womb.
Should we really be killing our babies in order to eliminate the consequences of our slefishness?
The methods usd in abortion are horrible.
In some countries, there is no law preventing the doctor from strangling the baby if the abortion fails. In a lot of countries, doctors jab a very sharp instrument into the babies brain when its inside the fetus in order to kill it, and other horrible methods.
I'm not a practicing Christian at all, but I'm very sensitive when it comes to abortion b/c my sister had an abortion late during her pregnancy out of desperation, and she has regreted it since, every day of her life.
She now goes to councelling b/c suicidal thoughts permeate her mind each day.
The phsycological impact of ending an innocent human life is terrible, and I can't stand to see people supporting this cause.

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