Anthropocentrism and Animal Rights

lookinfor1v1 · 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NiceGuy

"No longer think of ourselves as conquerors over nature but a participant in its community." Animal rights is the first step, but that's an animal ethic, and in the larger scope of things I'm talking about an environmental ethic.

What about economists? The ones who destroy lands where animals thrive in order to build a theme park, or a church? I'm not talking simple cruelty, I'm talking about wasteful killing for our [human] self interest.

You didn't see the "sapien" in hidden text. Smooth, I thought that would go past you.

Who says you couldn't? PERFECT ATTITUDE. It's exactly that anthropocentrism I've been talking about; it's exactly why people treat animals however they feel. Nobody said they couldn't.

And stop asking me the same question. I've already answered it.

Higher reason.

A mentally disabled person did not ever possess the faculty to do so. So are you basing their rights that humans possess based on ...what they look like? Since it looks like a human?

I skipped over the blah blah blah. You're still basing your argument on faculties of the brain, on intelligence, and now on culture. Should a person of higher intellect be granted higher rights than one who is of lesser intellect? There is a greater gap between the average human and the philosopher than there is the average human and a chimp. Should a being of a culture "less civilized" than yours (we once regarded, and perhaps still do, other cultures as 'savage,' a state closer to animal than human) be afforded fewer rights?

You still sound like a speciesist; might as well be a racist or a sexist.

Not "animals included in our society," humans no longer thinking they're separate from it. What part of you being a component in this natural world don't you understand? What's so difficult in grasping the concept that you're basing the difference that justifies ourselves as higher up the Chain of Being than animals on either biological make up (what we look like) or biological advantage (reason)? We have higher reason, but animals surpass us in so many different biological fields.

Maybe animals don't wonder about the ways of the world because they already got it figured out

I never said humans weren't different. Humans are different from other humans in the same areas of difference you're saying justify our treatment and attitude towards animals.

Yeah. Go ahead and do that. Go ahead and vanquish every last bit of nature. Your inconsideration for animals surely means you don't consider the rights of the rest of nature, which humans go Crusoe on. You can treat animals however you like, you're free to do so. Just don't be surprised when the planet retaliates by killing us all.

See you in heaven.

I deleted the other post, since I submitted it by mistake without adressing everything.

This entire argument, as specifically shown in your last paragraph, is based on a VERY slippery-slope.
Basically its saying, putting ourselves higher in the chain of existence than other "animals" leads to the destruction of the environment and the harsh treatment of other animals.
Therefore, animals should be given equal rights to human beings in order to prevent brutal treatment/ the destruction of the environment.
False.
Anyone who destroys the environment/justifies the mistratment of animals is clearly not in line with common sense or any kind of morality.
$$$ is a HUGE factor when those things happen.

**NiceGuy** · #32 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

This entire argument, as specifically shown in your last paragraph, is based on a VERY slippery-slope.
Basically its saying, putting ourselves higher in the chain of existence than other "animals" leads to the destruction of the environment and the harsh treatment of other animals.
Flase.

False? (I'll make fun of it later, maybe, saying flase)

It's what's already happened. Further, the last paragraph was a response to your exaggerated sarcasm. I'm patronizing you, dude.

lookinfor1v1 · 06:01 PM

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By the way NiceGuy, I've always been curious and I mean no offense, why did you draw all over yourself with markers?

**NiceGuy** · #34 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

I deleted the other post, since I submitted it by mistake without adressing everything.

This entire argument, as specifically shown in your last paragraph, is based on a VERY slippery-slope.
Basically its saying, putting ourselves higher in the chain of existence than other "animals" leads to the destruction of the environment and the harsh treatment of other animals.
Therefore, animals should be given equal rights to human beings in order to prevent brutal treatment/ the destruction of the environment.
False.
Anyone who destroys the environment/justifies the mistratment of animals is clearly not in line with common sense or any kind of morality.
$$$ is a HUGE factor when those things happen.

So almost all of Western civilization is immoral?

I agree, but I don't think you do.

Thinking humans are on a higher plain than the rest of creation is the anthropocentric arrogance that leads to these problems. You failed to reply to my argument as to why you're a speciesist. You failed to reply to my argument regarding the 10 commandments. You've failed to argue against the real argument of anthropocentrism. You've failed to give satisfactory repute to my counter argument as to why animals deserve equality. You're just saying "False" as though it's common sense. You're either not realizing the state of reality, or you're trying to construct an argument that if we were to remain "moral" in your view would destroy any concept of human expansion and progression.

edit: I didn't do it, someone else did; three people actually. It was a party of decadence

lookinfor1v1 · #35 03-02-2008

I think the burden of evidence here rests on you, as to why animals should be given equal rights as us.

**NiceGuy** · #36 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

I think the burden of evidence here rests on you, as to why animals should be given equal rights as us.

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And I made my argument. COUNTER IT.

lookinfor1v1 · #37 03-02-2008

You've made a lot of points throughout, so it would be better if you could state you exact points (as to why animals should be given equal rights) so I could adress them now.

**NiceGuy** · #38 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

You've made a lot of points throughout, so it would be better if you could state you exact points (as to why animals should be given equal rights) so I could adress them now.

It would be better if you could respond to each individual point, or, even better, be able to point out the most important points. I'm not going to break it down to a child's level for your convenience.

lookinfor1v1 · #39 03-02-2008

I was only asking for your most important points.
I seriously don't have time to respond to every single point you've made in your original post, because quite frankly, people have things to do, other than reply to every point made on an internet forum.
Sure I could spend hours on end on this forum, rather than just dropping in whenever I'm watching some T.V or playing halo on my spare time, but I would never get out to do anything other than go to school if that was so.

**NiceGuy** · #40 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

I was only asking for your most important points.
I seriously don't have time to respond to every single point you've made in your original post, because quite frankly, people have things to do, other than reply to every point made on an internet forum.
Sure I could spend hours on end on this forum, rather than just dropping in whenever I'm watching some T.V or playing halo on my spare time, but I would never get out to do anything other than go to school if that was so.

You've wasted enough time just dodging my argument. You've probably wasted more. It doesn't take "hours" to respond; it would take 30 minutes at most.

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