I still don't understand how that doesn't just make us animals who have complex reasoning and experience intricate emotions. Remember the evolutionary chain? At what point were we "no longer animals?" We are STILL animals by definition, but I want to play your game for a while.


Explain this please^^^

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I wanna see that same chart with a human who's mentally disabled.

Animals experience emotion, make decisions (they DO reason), and the mentally disabled did not necessarily have the ability to reason ever, ever.

You, um, didn't read all of my previous arguments, did you? The amount of sentience is far less, if any, in insects than animals.

How're we not programmed to do everything in our daily activities?

Again, you're assigning rights based on biological characteristics, much like we assigned rights based on the amount of melanin in your body. Your argument is speciesist.

At what point does an infant gain the appropriate amount of cognitive ability to be given those rights? Are you basing human and animal rights on intelligence? If I'm more intelligent than you, and have better reasoning capabilities, am I afforded any more rights? Are you afforded any less?

If I were a girl, I'd totally have e-sex with Patri and NiceGuy.

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Good to know.

On another note, i think it was Patri (maybe NiceGuy, or maybe i just completely forget)... but one of y'all mentioned the only way we survive is at the expense of other organism's lives... meaning the only way we can live is to kill and eat other living things.

The only thing i see differently is, for example, bread is not "sentient" in any way is it? Perhaps crops (more so than bread i assume)? Water? Is it possible for a human to maintain homeostasis and continue living on the most basic level by simply eating/drinking these "non sentient" things i have mentioned?

If so, then we as humans are not solely dependent on killing other creatures for survival.

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Sounds like an invite.

E-fag.

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That's why this extends into environmental ethics. But baby steps, Vrbas, baby steps. I can thrust too much ethics up the ass of humanity all at once; I'll rip something.

edit: And I'm not saying everyone should go vegetarian.

MORAL CONSIDERABILITY: Act out of necessity.

Sad that you didn't get invited to another dimension with Patri and NiceGuy? Maybe one day. LOL!

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Here's the biological definition of Animal fyi:

animal (n-ml) n.
any organic (Carbon-based) replicative RNA/DNA protein organism:
(a) consisting of multiple diploid cells which each contain a nucleus;
(b) which perform chemical reactions and acheive homeostasis;
(c) who's gammete cells have a posterior flagella;
(d) which must ingest and digest other organisms in a digestive tract in order to sustain themselves.

The only thing you and LastTime have been doing is citing differences between Humans and other animals. It is impossible to cite a difference between "humans and animals" because we are descended from animals.

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In reply to E Nomini and NiceGuy who ask, what sets apart humans from animals, and why shouldn't animals be given equal rights?

First of all, I am obviously aware (I focus on Biology) that humans are considered animals under the Homo Sapoiens species. That fact is established.
But we are more.
For a start, free will is a major factor in the difference between us and other animals.
Animals don't chose wether they're going to hunt for prey, mate, and take care of their young. As studies in animal behavior have shown, their every day behavior is driven by instinct, genes, and other automated processes that totally eliminate the evidence of free will in other animals.
If you have lived past the age of reason (usually around 7, when a child begins to rationalize), you realize we do more than just act acccording to instinct.
We chose to treat other with respect and dignity or hate and vengance.
Mainstream science proves that it is in fact irrational to establish that animals experience this at all.
They do not chose, they do not supposedly love their young for "who they are", or display any behavior that far transcends behavior exclusive to humans.
So why do humans have the ability to have free choice?
Environment? Genes? Natural intelligence?
Though these in fact do explain several human behaviors, they are far off from covering the more intricate behavior.
Yes, humans are obviously animals, but radically different from other species in many ways.
This does NOT imply that animals are to be mis-treated. Not in the least.
It is our responsibility as rational beings to care for other species in our planet, but we do have to draw a fine line on where humans are separated from the rest.

I see, so what would you define as "human"... or better said, what is the definition of human/humanity/man-kind?


***EDIT***
On the last definition of "animal", i see it says "must ingest & digest other organisms... to sustain themselves"... Did you catch the post i made earlier about this (NiceGuy replied) regarding environmental ethics or whatever? Technically speaking, could we, as animals, not live off of bread and water alone (which i assume are neither sentient or "living")?

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