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I already knew it was aimed towards youth. The point I made was that, no matter what book you are talking about, I'm sure the subliminal message in it was HATE JEWS, or something to that affect. That is of course an assumption, correct me if Im wrong. The point I was trying to make was, the only way this could be made to be propoganda for children is if every child on the earth had little gods in glass bottles, and could open the glass bottles, therefore unintentionally killing god. I can see how a biased view of the book could make it out to be propoganda, but it really is not.
It was a glass case.
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I already knew it was aimed towards youth. The point I made was that, no matter what book you are talking about, I'm sure the subliminal message in it was HATE JEWS, or something to that affect. That is of course an assumption, correct me if Im wrong. The point I was trying to make was, the only way this could be made to be propoganda for children is if every child on the earth had little gods in glass bottles, and could open the glass bottles, therefore unintentionally killing god. I can see how a biased view of the book could make it out to be propoganda, but it really is not.
Either way it is saying God has mortal qualities, and ultimately degrades an immortal being.
 
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I haven't gone through the entire thread but I've read all three in the trilogy and all are quite good I might add. But let me clear this up. The series is a hidden metaphor for religion like the Chronicles of Narnia but the opposite. It also has to do with the science that there are many other universes right in front of us. The book basically says that God may be real but he isn't all powerful and not only he controls the universe we as the ones being created do. Also the books say that reincarnation is real as well. It is all very religious and philosophical but you can tell that Pullman is not so much for God. Now I encourage everyone to read the book if you liked Harry Potter and Narnia and all of that or if you like to read fantasy in general. If you analyze "His Dark Materials" (The entire series) enough you can see the metaphors.

EDIT: I Think Phillip Pullman has a lot of potential in writing as he appears to many audiences like children and adults who like analyzing things.

DBL Edit: Please do not boycott this movie even if you are pro-god and everything because there are many valid points and if you do boycott it you like some radical religious person that holds up signs of dead fetuses in front of abortion clinics.
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Theres talking animals, flying witches, and a magical compass, however I can see how if you believe in burning bushes that talk, that you could believe this movie as well. Your right, polars talk and wear armor, and they also have a great kingdom in the north pole, where they wage wars against the evil penguins. Do you really think this is propoganda? Given the biased way it is explained by almost every christian website, I could actually view it as propoganda, but when you disect the movie for what it really is and actually take a look at the story, any retard can tell that no one is actually going to convert to atheism from this movie.




Maybe not DIRECTLY, but it will definately lead a lot of kids to reading the books which (If you've read them, they are the most degrading anti-religious books you'll ever see, targeted at little children) aren't good for anyone with any view on religion.
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It was a glass case.
Ahh, my bad.

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Either way it is saying God has mortal qualities, and ultimately degrades an immortal being.
And any religous person would most likely dismiss this for being fictional, for being religious, you already known god is all-powerful, and all that other good stuff. You most certainly know, being religious, that god can never be killed. I can see how it could be taken as propoganda, but to actually think people would believe it, even children, is a pretty far stretch.

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Maybe not DIRECTLY, but it will definately lead a lot of kids to reading the books which (If you've read them, they are the most degrading anti-religious books you'll ever see, targeted at little children) aren't good for anyone with any view on religion.
I'm just curious, but have you read the books?
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And any religous person would most likely dismiss this for being fictional, for being religious, you already known god is all-powerful, and all that other good stuff. You most certainly know, being religious, that god can never be killed. I can see how it could be taken as propoganda, but to actually think people would believe it, even children, is a pretty far stretch.


I'm just curious, but have you read the books?
I've viewed commentaries, reviews, and have listened to peoples' (Religious and Non-religous) responses on the book, and most of them agree that the message the books deliver is unethical and dedrading.
Just as I saw by reading the books.
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I've viewed commentaries, reviews, and have listened to peoples' (Religious and Non-religous) responses on the book, and most of them agree that the message the books deliver is unethical and dedrading.
Provide us with examples where they preach said unethical and degrading values. Demonstrate how these books are severly anti-religious, and demonstrate how they're bad (in general).

There are plenty of pro-Christian/anti-atheist books floating around out there that preach some pretty horrible things. Why not attack those? It wouldn't have anything to do with your bias toward Christianity, would it?
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There are plenty of pro-Christian/anti-atheist books floating around out there that preach some pretty horrible things. Why not attack those? It wouldn't have anything to do with your bias toward Christianity, would it?[/quote]


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I love how you tell me to provide evidence for my case, yet you present yours with 0.
How ironic...
The Chronicles of Naria, you know, the book that caused The Golden Compass to be written as a refutation to that obviously pro-Christian book? My fault for assuming you knew anything about the topic at hand - I won't make that mistake again.
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So the Chronicles of Narnia is a terrible immoral book now, targeted at atheist children?
Whats next, God doesnt exist anymore?
LMFAO, never mind, lets not go there just yet.
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