That's why you should at least check your post.

Silly Tigga

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I had an argument with my uncle about this yesterday; I was greatly outnumbered, but he wasn't able to answer the question "what's wrong with promoting atheism?" without thinking for a second first, then not replying with an answer, but he wanted to say "Because it's wrong." That would have stirred up a bit of the Christmas spirit we were basking in.

*patience*

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In the movie, free-will is one of the things the Magysterium (aka Catholic Church) is trying to supress. There is a pirate-like group of nomads who are portrayed as the good guys, and their motto is nothing less than, 'free will and free thought for all'.

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The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion.
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Thank you for the clarification, i asked because i wasn't sure as i have yet to actually SEE this movie (only read up on it), nor have i read this man's books. I plan to do so soon.

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"We laugh at honor and are shocked when we find knives in our backs, we follow those who cheat and steal. Look in my eyes, you won't find your way back. Our only compass smashed under our own heels, under our iron will. The abolition of man is within the reach of science. But are we so far gone that we'll try it?" - Dustin Kensrue

Lol. Thanks for that. I was thinking of the Boost Mobile commercials and "Oh don't tell me what I should know!" and just started laughing.

So has anyone of us been through all the books yet? I know Vrbas was going to start, and I'm about to very soon. ButtHair, I believe you mentioned you were going to.

Can we clarify more on this subject now guys?

NiceGuy, I would like to hear more about how the discussion with your uncle went. I need some ammo.

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How do you kill that which has no life?

How can you kill what's not your creation?

These loops are fun, even if you don't have a very good foothold with your question *coughmecough*

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"We laugh at honor and are shocked when we find knives in our backs, we follow those who cheat and steal. Look in my eyes, you won't find your way back. Our only compass smashed under our own heels, under our iron will. The abolition of man is within the reach of science. But are we so far gone that we'll try it?" - Dustin Kensrue

I can't beleive TMBH, you THINK you've proven me wrong and won the argument b/c I've allegedly failed to answer your statments/argument, yet you make no reference of when this occurs.
The reasons I made my response to this thread were:

1. To clarify why Christians were Boycotting the movie (It promotes th books and prompts children to read them)
2. Explain why its wrong for kids to read the books, and why its wrong for pullman to distort Christianity and display contempt towards the religion with hatred, discriminatory messages, and a complete mutilation of that which is good and true.

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Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Tom Stoppard

I've finished re-reading the last book and i'm disgusted at the way pullman distorts the facts about Christians/Christianity in general, and attack a religion in order to promote his.

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Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Tom Stoppard