The Golden Compass

lookinfor1v1 · 03:26 PM

TMBH:
A-f.cking-gain, you didn't comprehend what I wrote. I wrote that the only reason Christians are boycotting the books and the movie is because the book was written by an atheist, and has a skeptical attitude toward religion. You've failed to produce any evidence indicating the book preaches bad morals.

Excuse me TMBH but I beleive I posted this a while ago:

Pullman’s stories are crammed with the supernatural and the mystical, and take place mainly in alternative worlds, most captivatingly of all in an Oxford recognisably the same place while utterly different. But while Narnia is under the care of a benevolent, kindly creator, Pullman’s chaotic universe has no ultimate good authority, controlling and redeeming all. God, or someone claiming to be God, dies meaninglessly in the third volume of his trilogy. There is life after death, but it is a dark, squalid misery from which oblivion is a welcome release. Pullman puts forward a complex theory of man’s true destiny, and his stories are a powerful epic that everyone should read. But many who buy these books for children and grandchildren would be surprised, and even shocked, if they knew just how vehemently Pullman despises the Christian Church, and how much he loathes his dead rival, Lewis. He is, in fact, the Anti-Lewis.

He has described the Narnia Chronicles as grotesque, disgusting, ugly, poisonous and nauseating. Yet, as Michael Ward, an expert on Lewis, has pointed out, Pullman’s saga begins just as Lewis’s does with a girl hiding in a wardrobe and finding more than she bargained for. It is almost as if he wants to turn Narnia upside-down and then jump on it. While Lewis portrays rationalist atheists as comically ghastly and joyless, Pullman depicts priests as evil and murderous, drunk and probably perverted, and the Church as a conspiracy against happiness and kindness.

lookinfor1v1 · 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

A-f.cking-gain, you didn't comprehend what I wrote. I wrote that the only reason Christians are boycotting the books and the movie is because the book was written by an atheist, and has a skeptical attitude toward religion. You've failed to produce any evidence indicating the book preaches bad morals.

Point proven.

Sorry, but the Pullman series is targeted at children.
You seem very lost. We have gone full circle in this debate and we ended up where I basically began, yet you deny that I provided evidence for the books immorality.

TooMuchButtHair · #**163** 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

Sorry, but the Pullman series is targeted at children.

Ya still don't get it? I KNOW THE BOOK IS WRITTEN FOR KIDS! However, it doesn't teach bad morals. Provide evidence that it teachs kids bad morals. If you can't, get out of the thread.

lookinfor1v1 · #**164** 12-07-2007

While Lewis portrays rationalist atheists as comically ghastly and joyless, Pullman depicts priests as evil and murderous, drunk and probably perverted, and the Church as a conspiracy against happiness and kindness.

If this isn't immorality to you, you need a reality check.
YOu continue to deny the evidence I have given a while back.
Now are you going to say, "how is depicting piests as murderous immoral"?
YOu can answer that for yourself, but in the main message of the book theres even more.

**davobrosia** · #**165** 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

TMBH:
A-f.cking-gain, you didn't comprehend what I wrote. I wrote that the only reason Christians are boycotting the books and the movie is because the book was written by an atheist, and has a skeptical attitude toward religion. You've failed to produce any evidence indicating the book preaches bad morals.

Excuse me TMBH but I beleive I posted this a while ago:

Pullman’s stories are crammed with the supernatural and the mystical, and take place mainly in alternative worlds, most captivatingly of all in an Oxford recognisably the same place while utterly different. But while Narnia is under the care of a benevolent, kindly creator, Pullman’s chaotic universe has no ultimate good authority, controlling and redeeming all. God, or someone claiming to be God, dies meaninglessly in the third volume of his trilogy. There is life after death, but it is a dark, squalid misery from which oblivion is a welcome release. Pullman puts forward a complex theory of man’s true destiny, and his stories are a powerful epic that everyone should read. But many who buy these books for children and grandchildren would be surprised, and even shocked, if they knew just how vehemently Pullman despises the Christian Church, and how much he loathes his dead rival, Lewis. He is, in fact, the Anti-Lewis.

He has described the Narnia Chronicles as grotesque, disgusting, ugly, poisonous and nauseating. Yet, as Michael Ward, an expert on Lewis, has pointed out, Pullman’s saga begins just as Lewis’s does with a girl hiding in a wardrobe and finding more than she bargained for. It is almost as if he wants to turn Narnia upside-down and then jump on it. While Lewis portrays rationalist atheists as comically ghastly and joyless, Pullman depicts priests as evil and murderous, drunk and probably perverted, and the Church as a conspiracy against happiness and kindness.

So are the books immoral because they disagree with Carroll? Or are they immoral because they portray your religious representatives in a certain light? How is an opinion tantamount to immorality? Thought crime? Doesn't really matter, you're not long for this section.

TooMuchButtHair · #**166** 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

Excuse me TMBH but I beleive I posted this a while ago:
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Pullman’s stories are crammed with the supernatural and the mystical, and take place mainly in alternative worlds, most captivatingly of all in an Oxford recognisably the same place while utterly different. But while Narnia is under the care of a benevolent, kindly creator, Pullman’s chaotic universe has no ultimate good authority, controlling and redeeming all. God, or someone claiming to be God, dies meaninglessly in the third volume of his trilogy. There is life after death, but it is a dark, squalid misery from which oblivion is a welcome release. Pullman puts forward a complex theory of man’s true destiny, and his stories are a powerful epic that everyone should read. But many who buy these books for children and grandchildren would be surprised, and even shocked, if they knew just how vehemently Pullman despises the Christian Church, and how much he loathes his dead rival, Lewis. He is, in fact, the Anti-Lewis.

He has described the Narnia Chronicles as grotesque, disgusting, ugly, poisonous and nauseating. Yet, as Michael Ward, an expert on Lewis, has pointed out, Pullman’s saga begins just as Lewis’s does with a girl hiding in a wardrobe and finding more than she bargained for. It is almost as if he wants to turn Narnia upside-down and then jump on it. While Lewis portrays rationalist atheists as comically ghastly and joyless, Pullman depicts priests as evil and murderous, drunk and probably perverted, and the Church as a conspiracy against happiness and kindness.

I f..king read that when you first posted it - those are not un-ethical morals you moron.

TooMuchButtHair · #**167** 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

While Lewis portrays rationalist atheists as comically ghastly and joyless, Pullman depicts priests as evil and murderous, drunk and probably perverted, and the Church as a conspiracy against happiness and kindness.

If this isn't immorality to you, you need a reality check.
YOu continue to deny the evidence I have given a while back.
Now are you going to say, "how is depicting piests as murderous immoral"?
YOu can answer that for yourself, but in the main message of the book theres even more.

There are no morals there asshat. NONE!

lookinfor1v1 · #**168** 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

Ya still don't get it? I KNOW THE BOOK IS WRITTEN FOR KIDS! However, it doesn't teach bad morals. Provide evidence that it teachs kids bad morals. If you can't, get out of the thread.

Look at the entire discusion we've had.
Are you sure IM the one that doesnt get it?

E Nomini Patri · #**169** 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by lookinfor1v1

Oh, and by the way, Hitler was Atheist.

God is a Christian. God still killed an entire planet. I can scripturally support this claim: Genesis 7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth.

That being a result if this decision by your God: Genesis 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.

Now explain to my why you call out Hitler for being "Atheist" as if not believing in a deity is the most immoral thing you can do, when the most prominent idol of theism in the entire United States gets a free pass?

Your hypocrisy is astounding and rather vulgar. If "Atheism" is a moral dead end to you, explain why your brand of Theism is the supposed moral superhighway because I don't f..king see it.

**davobrosia** · #**170** 12-07-2007

You're saying that any sort of satire or parody is immoral, then, or just if it's against Christians? Either way, that's preposterous and bordering on a fascist ideology.

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