OMG right when i clicked on the thread the commercial came up, LMAO

but yea idk, the movie looks allrite, i might go see it

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LMAO you still don't get it?
HITLER WAS EVIL
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Did it really matter to him what means he used to acheive his E V I L goals?

Nice delete job there bud, but it doesn't erase your ignorance.

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I've read the article before, and I read it again when you posted it. Honestly, it's not as defintive as you make it out to be. He went to great lengths to stay in good standing with the Catholic church until the time of his death, even when it had no impact on the war at hand. There are plenty of other quotes that indicate he was still a Christian during the early 1940's, too.

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No-one is debating that at all. I think everyone here agrees that he was one of the worst humans in history. The debate at hand is his religious views (although it's not relevant to the topic at hand, at all).

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The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion.
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Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

• "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
  "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
  "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

• "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

• "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
  "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
  "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
  "Christianity <is> the liar....
  "We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

• "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

• "Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
  "The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
  "Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, f.gs? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

• "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
  "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

• "Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
  "Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

• "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

• "It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
  "Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Atheism

• "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out". "For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".

Both of these quotes are from Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942, cited in an Internet article by Doug Krueger.

Another interesting quote from Hitler is found in a book by Albert Speer, Hitler's Minister of Armaments:

• "I often feel that we will have to undergo all the trials the devil and hell can devise before we achieve Final Victory....I may be no pious churchgoer, but deep within me I am nevertheless a devout man. That is to say, I believe that he who fights valiantly obeying the laws which a god has established and who never capitulates but instead gathers his forces time after time and always pushes forward—such a man will not be abandoned by the Lawgiver. Rather he will ultimately receive the blessing of Providence. And that blessing has been imparted to all great spirits in history." (Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich : Memoirs. Bonanza Books ; Distributed by Crown Publishers, 1982, cited in an Internet article by Kevin Davids).

Just in case you needed a little reminder.
By the way, you don't need to accuse people of being "f..king NAZIS" because theyre debating about The Golden Compass.
Just in case you needed a little reminder of etiquette/morality.

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Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Tom Stoppard

So you're saying that any leader of christians could be false and only using it to gain power which is what anyone would do, like Scientology

"Whats better then telling your friends a dumb story and having them believe it? THEY PAY YOU FOR MORE"

You are saying that religion is basically "The opium of the masses" and thats why religion is bad, it halts real thought. It's designed to block out anything that contradicts it.

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I already saw that moron - stop spamming the thread.

If I were to concede that Hitler was an atheist (and he wasn't), could you provide any evidence that he did what he did because he was an atheist? The availible evidence indicates he did what he did because he was trying to restore the image of man back to it's original form: god's image.

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The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion.
-Thomas Paine

Are you kidding?
Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE.
Have I not made my point clear enough, or do I need to personally explain this to you?

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Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Tom Stoppard

Please directly state your point.

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The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authority; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion.
-Thomas Paine

Is dat sum Godwin invocation?

Stick a fork in this thread, Jim.

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