Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity

Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). I have lifted the text of these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ.

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

• "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
  "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
  "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

• "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

• "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
  "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
  "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
  "Christianity <is> the liar....
  "We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

• "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

• "Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
  "The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
  "Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, f.gs? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

• "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
  "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

• "Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
  "Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

• "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

• "It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
  "Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Atheism

• "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out". "For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".

Both of these quotes are from Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942, cited in an Internet article by Doug Krueger.

Another interesting quote from Hitler is found in a book by Albert Speer, Hitler's Minister of Armaments:

• "I often feel that we will have to undergo all the trials the devil and hell can devise before we achieve Final Victory....I may be no pious churchgoer, but deep within me I am nevertheless a devout man. That is to say, I believe that he who fights valiantly obeying the laws which a god has established and who never capitulates but instead gathers his forces time after time and always pushes forward—such a man will not be abandoned by the Lawgiver. Rather he will ultimately receive the blessing of Providence. And that blessing has been imparted to all great spirits in history." (Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich : Memoirs. Bonanza Books ; Distributed by Crown Publishers, 1982, cited in an Internet article by Kevin Davids).

Conclusion

In conclusion, I think that Hitler worshipped himself.


Finally, two last points. The first is not very compelling, but I found it interesting. The first time I found Hitler's Mein Kampf on-line was at a White Supremacy hate site whose homepage had a litany of Hitler's anti-Christian quotes. The second point is that even the Atheism Web highlights the difference between Hitler's public speeches before he came to power, and his attitude after 1935 when he saw Christianity as a threat to Nazi domination.

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Did you even read this?

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add for customs and all that crap.

If he didn't worship a god, who did he worship?
Himself.
Did he beleive in a God?
No. Thus establishing him as someone who either
a. Knows of God's existence but rejects him.
b. Rejects the idea of a Supreme Being altogether, which is where most people agree he stood.
The person writing that tidbit obviously didn't want to anger any atheists, but logically, thats the square Hitler was in.

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Butthair pretty much nailed it right there... You have no right to decide what is immoral. And the basic theme of the story is that of new discoveries which are being prevented by the Church, which is a serious issue.

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Are you kidding me? lol, there are several website that have hitler saying he is a christian and there are several that say he is just a theist. You do know what Theism is right? Just because you found one website that says he is neither Christian or Atheist, doesn't automatically make him an atheist. You logical is soo warped, I cant even begin to imagine how you came to that conclusion. How can you say he didnt believe in a god?

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...ge=murphy_19_2

All of these sites have quotes saying he believes in a god. It doesnt matter either way because Hitler justified his genocide by being a chirtsian, saying jews killed jesus.

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add for customs and all that crap.

Logic is not some subjective thing. You, at least, clearly have no concept of it.

My statement was based entirely on the availible evidence.

Really? You want kids not to be exposed to material that contradicts your own point of view, yet doesn't really have anything considered 'unethical' within it. You believe it's unethical only because it views religion through the eyes of a skeptic.

Is The Golden Compass meant to be taken seriously? It's a f.cking kids book.

I didn't say you did say that. Read more carefull.

Why? Just because he's an atheist and a secularist? How many authors have anti-athest adgenda's that aren't pursued by Christians? Not many.

Pullman is attacked for having a differnce of opinion.

No, it hasn't. I'm willing to change my stance on that issue if you can provide compelling evidence to support your claim. So far, all I've seen is mention of a plot device designed to demonstrate the evils of curruption.

I'm sure it doesn't...

Where are those bad morals again?

Hitler was a devoute Catholic. In his own writings and speaches, he thanks god for the 'divine' power to restore the world to a perfect Christian paradise. He believed god was blonde haired and blue eyed, and everyone who didn't look like god (because, afterall, he believed god created man in his own image) was the result of Satan's work on Earth.

Evidence is provided in his book, Mein Kampf

Hitler obviously believed in a supreme being.

He quotes the Genesis story...

Hitler believes that racial mixing is an extension of "original sin", and original sin was influenced by Satan.

Again Hitler repeats his belief that the Aryan race was created by God, and that it would be a sin to dilute it through racial intermixing with inferior races which evolved naturally.

You're dead wrong about Hitler. He was a fanatical Christian. My facts > your propaganda.

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The evidence you cited indicates that Hitler DID believe in god. Provide evidence to support your hypothesis. There is a TON of evidence indicating he DID believe in a supreme being.

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Did you even read what the article said?
OBVIOUSLY Hitler would publically say he was Christian, while privately rejecting the notion of the existence of God at the same time. He was evil. He did anything to gain power. Lying to the public about his beleifs is a perfect way to acheive his goals.
How does that not make sense?

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There is no evidence to support that idea. That OBVIOUSLY is something that doesn't exist. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not - what matters is the evidence at hand.

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-Thomas Paine

The second point is that even the Atheism Web highlights the difference between Hitler's public speeches before he came to power, and his attitude after 1935 when he saw Christianity as a threat to Nazi domination.

Do i really need to repeat the statment?
Or does that not make sense to you.
What don't you get about the idea that Hitler would falsely reveal himself as a Christian, but in reality, rejected the notion of a Supreme Being.

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