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That line of thinking is how the Church justified hundreds of years of witch burnings, crusades, and religious persecution.
Look man I get just as if not more sad than you when I hear about those kinda things and I agree with you completely but the thing is those weren't Gods judgments on people but more so people using God as a "reason" of sorts to get their own agenda fulfilled. What I said was more of a statement of faith rather than an excuse if you see what I'm saying.
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do you really think socrates would win a real battle over jesus?
Absolutely. If you think otherwise, maybe you should take an intro to philosophy class.
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Look man I get just as if not more sad than you when I hear about those kinda things and I agree with you completely but the thing is those weren't Gods judgments on people but more so people using God as a "reason" of sorts to get their own agenda fulfilled. What I said was more of a statement of faith rather than an excuse if you see what I'm saying.
So basically, you're saying people used their interpretation of the Bible, or their interpretation of god's judgment, for their own ends or to justify atrocities. Sound familiar?
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this Pharaoh had Gods chosen people under brutal slavery for tons of years so I don't know what to think of that and I trust Gods judgment
Oh right. Throw in some blind adherence to a deity's ambiguous morals (he'll kill a whole nation's firstborn sons without batting an eye), and you've got a recipe for the Dark Ages...and abortion clinic bombings...and blue laws...and homophobic hate crimes...etc.
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Absolutely. If you think otherwise, maybe you should take an intro to philosophy class.

So basically, you're saying people used their interpretation of the Bible, or their interpretation of god's judgment, for their own ends or to justify atrocities. Sound familiar?
No I'm saying that people use God as an excuse or reason or justification of their actions due to the fact that people would go with anything someone in a religiously powerful position i.e a pope regardless of that persons actual reasons or beliefs. So someone may not even believe in God yet say stuff like God told me to do this and that just so that they may accomplish their own personal agenda. Now, as for the second part of your post I don't quite understand what your saying.
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No I'm saying that people use God as an excuse or reason or justification of their actions due to the fact that people would go with anything someone in a religiously powerful position i.e a pope regardless of that persons actual reasons or beliefs. So someone may not even believe in God yet say stuff like God told me to do this and that just so that they may accomplish their own personal agenda.
That the people who commit atrocities in the name of a god don't actually believe their god wants them to commit them is pure speculation.
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Now, as for the second part of your post I don't quite understand what your saying.
I'm pointing out the absurdity in deriving one's morality from, or submitting to the morality of, a deity with ambiguous or selective morality.
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That the people who commit atrocities in the name of a god don't actually believe their god wants them to commit them is pure speculation.
The people who commit those atrocities go against the message and teachings of Jesus Christ and that is peace and harmony and love something that those people by committing all those crimes went against. So I think its safe to assume that they were either misled or trying to do something other than what they say they were doing.


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I'm pointing out the absurdity in deriving one's morality from, or submitting to the morality of, a deity with ambiguous or selective morality.
Just what is wrong with deriving your morality from a God who wholly good? But than again being "wholly good" is subjective so I guess we start running in circles from here...
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The people who commit those atrocities go against the message and teachings of Jesus Christ and that is peace and harmony and love something that those people by committing all those crimes went against. So I think its safe to assume that they were either misled or trying to do something other than what they say they were doing.
But they can (and do) cite passages from the Bible to support their actions. Who are you to say that your interpretation is more valid?
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Just what is wrong with deriving your morality from a God who wholly good? But than again being "wholly good" is subjective so I guess we start running in circles from here...
Killing thousands (millions?) of children to get to their nation's leader is hardly "good." It's vindictive and cruel. I don't even see how someone can interpret that as an act of goodness. Enlighten me.
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