Nope. Only people with mental diseases.

Word up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

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To be honest i think the only logical explanation to the creation of the universe is that of a higher power, Whether that of a christian god, muslim god etc etc. Something cant come from nothing. its as simple at that. Where did Singularity come from? before the big bang what caused the creation of that. It didnt just pop out of nowhere. Ok so you say the string theory but then what created the strings? what about time what created that and energy? The closest thing we have to any answer to that is the concept of a higher power.

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Your question may be construed to entale the question: Why is there something rather than nothing. And the simple question is something is more ordered than nothing.

A supernatural cause is an illogical step. The question should not be WHO put it there, but WHAT put it there. I have already posted about how quantum fluctuations can spark the singularity. So, a universe does not need a higher power originate. But, that's not your question. There is substantial evidence to indicate our universe is part of a multiverse full of universes constantly being formed and crashing back into singularity. But, that is still not your question. Your question deals with infinite regress.

Ex. The ball moved. What made the ball move? The bat. What made the bat move? etc. etc.

And obviously there must be a single point for all these actions to originate from. Like a rock for a chain to hang off of. But this rock is surely not a loving, benevolent God that controls our every motion. But, must be a scientific law. A fundemental law that allows us to understand the complexities of existence.

Logically a WHAT and not a WHO.

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A scientific law? Then what created that scientific law?
Why must it be a scientific law and not a God? What seperates the two. Maybe that is exactly what God is, the law of the universe. The most complex unexplainable thing to ever be conceived, the reason why the world works the way it does, maybe that scientific law is so complex that it is what we would call perfection.

I was not raised to be a christian child. Yes i did go to church young but i would never pay attention and not have a care in the world for church. It wasn't until i stopped going to church that i realized that there really is a god.

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I hate to sound like a broken record, but if you paid any attention to the Big Bang Theory and String Theory, you'd know why the physical laws of our Universe exist. You seem to think that just because we don't know why some things are the way they are, that we'll never know; and/or that a god must have done it.

We will never know how the universe started we will only have theories.

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Its apparent that nothing we say is going to convince him there is higher power. So why did he even make this thread to be honest?

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While his mind may be made up to the point of immobility, I am reading all of these posts with an open mind and believe me, no one has said anything even remotely convincing outside of personal experience (which can only go so far). If you are going to point "logically" to a higher power, you are merely begging the question, as is almost anything that doesn't provide a full account for all of existence. That is what the universe is, there isn't stuff outside the universe. You can't just say there is a higher power that made stuff and leave it at that. That doesn't work and is not enough to convince anyone that is thinking about the subject critically. Even if one were to accept that, the question of "Where did this higher power come from?" remains and is even more difficult to answer. The reason that it is so difficult to think of a higher power creating things is that we have no evidence for it. While it's true that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it surely is not evidence of presence. Why some people seem to cling to that notion is beyond me.

The reason it is so difficult to convince non-believers is because you have little, if anything, to convince them with. You have no evidence, and the only slightly credible evidence that exists from what I've seen is the personal experience which cannot even be corroborated. So, while the unmoving position despite all of your attempts to convince us otherwise may seem like stubbornness, it really isn't, it's just that no one has made a decent argument at all.


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Well if your asking that then im asking where life came from... something cant come from nothing everything demands a creator, thus for there has to be some infinite being.

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There has to be an infinite something. Nothing about our world demands that there be a creator or one being that made everything. We can't even say for sure whether or not all any of the matter/energy was created or has been around forever. I'm currently of the opinion that our universe is itself infinite. Not the universe in its current form, but all the energy and matter that has ever existed has been around infinitely. Random chance has brought about our universe as it is now (still just my opinion here). I see no reason to suspect that anyone created anything.


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