Originally Posted by db Hellcry

ill believe in god when i see him.

Originally Posted by Steve Da Egg

that God does not exist. Don't even bring up a personal God, e.g. Christianity. I currently believe God's only purpose was to bring the universe into existence. I believe that the natural laws were put into existence by this God, but God does not involve himself in the universe anymore. My beliefs closely resemble deism, but I don't believe in an afterlife. I offer a challenge to the atheists in the H3F community to provide logical and coherent proofs and evidence to prove my version of God does not exist.


I am open to anything.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

Atheism is based on the lack of proof. You essentially want me to prove that there is a lack of proof that god exists? I can't prove that your god doesn't exist, because that's not what atheism is about. Atheism is about what you know, not what you don't know. There isn't any reason to believe that your position is correct at all. You position is based on the fact that we don't know exactly how our Universe came into existence. Your position is based on an assumption - that a god must have done it - the fact that you're leaping to a conclusion without support is illogical.

I don't have a conclusion simply because there is no evidence to support said conclusion. If you give String Theory any consideration, you can find a pretty interesting theory for how our Universe came into existence.

Agnosticism certainly has it's merit, but so does atheism. I do consider the idea of a god to be un-knowable, but given the Earthly definitions, stories, and ideas about god(s), it's fairly safe to say that they already-defined ideas about god are pretty much crap.

Originally Posted by Steve Da Egg

Your stance of reserving your opinion is agnosticism and not atheism. Atheists must prove why they believe there is not God or disprove theist's logicalproofs. Disprove my cosmological debate, and then you will have convinced me God does not exist (ontological and teleological are s**t). And I'm not Christian. I am deist for the moment.

Originally Posted by Steve Da Egg

I currently believe God's only purpose was to bring the universe into existence.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair

Whoa bud, your definition of atheism is a little far fetched. The only trait an atheist must have is that said atheist can't believe in god's existence. 'Proof' or not, that's it. If you want me to adress your original post, here goes:



Unfounded idea.



Matter and energy are inter-changable. A large release of energy, whether it's by two Strings that increased infinitely in size or not, doesn't need a god to occur.



This certainly is unfounded. There are a lot of ways (all of which are unfounded) that a god could be actively involved in our Universe. We just don't know. To make that statement, even with the slightest degree of certainty is illogical. I can't say god doesn't exist, or that it does because I really don't know. HOWEVER, given the evidence, it really doesn't look like it does.



Like I tried to say before, it's hard to disprove an idea that is so incredible based in the abstract. Asking me to disprove that Bigfoot exists is easier on a monumental scale. Your arguement and ideological system portrayed in your original post is literally so weak that you can't say it's false...

Originally Posted by Furiosa

Atheism is the polar opposite of theism, that is to say Atheists believe a god does not exist, whereas a Theist believes a god(s) exists. Neither of these are very strong stances, and each has a very, very loose base of proof. Calling out atheists is just as bad as a theist calling out an atheist. A belief is just that, a belief. It is not a proof in and of itself.

This thread fails to deliver.

Originally Posted by Furiosa

Atheism is the polar opposite of theism, that is to say Atheists believe a god does not exist, whereas a Theist believes a god(s) exists. Neither of these are very strong stances, and each has a very, very loose base of proof. Calling out atheists is just as bad as a theist calling out an atheist. A belief is just that, a belief. It is not a proof in and of itself.

This thread fails to deliver.