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¿ Qué ?
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We were talking - about the space between us all
And the people - who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth - then it's far too late - when they pass away.

We were talking - about the love we all could share - when we find it
To try our best to hold it there - with our love.
With our love - We could save the world - if they only knew...

Try to realize it's all within yourself, no one else can make you change.
And to see you're really only very small
and life flows on within you and without you.
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I don't see how the cause and effect thing can be infinite, that would mean that matter has always been self existing and I just can't comprehend matter just being there though you run into the same problem with the whole "who created God" thing meaning the only reasonable explanation is matter is self existing but then it comes back to "how can something be self existing". *sigh* this is why I try to stay away from these vicious circles of logic. Its just to much for me to try and understand.


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We were talking - about the space between us all
And the people - who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth - then it's far too late - when they pass away.

We were talking - about the love we all could share - when we find it
To try our best to hold it there - with our love.
With our love - We could save the world - if they only knew...

Try to realize it's all within yourself, no one else can make you change.
And to see you're really only very small
and life flows on within you and without you.
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I don't see how the cause and effect thing can be infinite, that would mean that matter has always been self existing and I just can't comprehend matter just being there though you run into the same problem with the whole "who created God" thing meaning the only reasonable explanation is matter is self existing but then it comes back to "how can something be self existing". *sigh* this is why I try to stay away from these vicious circles of logic. Its just to much for me to try and understand.


Yeah, you bring up a good point, I don't know how the universe could be infinite either. There isn't anything that I'm aware of that would rule it out though. The problem I have has more to do with a self-sufficient entity. If God can be infinite then there I don't see why the universe can't be infinite either.


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If God can be infinite then there I don't see why the universe can't be infinite either.


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I don't think its possible for two infinities to exist. Like, how can more than one thing take up all the space there is? But then you can say that its perfectly possible because there is an infinite amount space to take up, but, isn't God already taking up that infinite amount of space because he himself is infinite? Man.....I may be wrong but I think I remember my science teacher saying something about different sizes of infinites but he didn't go much deeper than that so it still doesn't make sense to me.
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I don't think its possible for two infinities to exist. Like, how can more than one thing take up all the space there is? But then you can say that its perfectly possible because there is an infinite amount space to take up, but, isn't God already taking up that infinite amount of space because he himself is infinite? Man.....I may be wrong but I think I remember my science teacher saying something about different sizes of infinites but he didn't go much deeper than that so it still doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not talking about space, I'm talking about time.


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I'm not talking about space, I'm talking about time.


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lol o, I misunderstood what you said and thought that you misunderstood what I said but went along with it because it brought up another issue. But to get back to what you were saying I suppose your right in saying that theres no reason that the universe can go back in an infinite amount of time if God is the same way, unless its to be believed that God created the universe than you start running into some obvious problems
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Yeah, you bring up a good point, I don't know how the universe could be infinite either. There isn't anything that I'm aware of that would rule it out though. The problem I have has more to do with a self-sufficient entity. If God can be infinite then there I don't see why the universe can't be infinite either.


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The universe has a cause. We see its beginning, and know that it must have a cause or reason to exist. That's where God comes in. God is the cause for the universe and, in order to stop the chain of finite, contingent beings, must be infinite.
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The universe has a cause. We see its beginning, and know that it must have a cause or reason to exist. That's where God comes in. God is the cause for the universe and, in order to stop the chain of finite, contingent beings, must be infinite.
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