2 Parts, but part 2 is really all you need to watch.

IMO, the theists cant prove a point.

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You know what I'd like to see... We finally get down to the smallest particle, and in the string of data providing the evidence for it, there is a bit of binary which compiles to a congratulations note, signed anonymous. Just for kicks.

Listening to this, I can't help but want to answer the questions from either side. The time constraint would pwn me, though.

It'd be nice if religion could be more like science. I'm certain we can all agree that we don't know.

Their argument for G_d assumes sentience, along with all of religion's other assumptions.

Science is a process, not the solution.

"If we can't see it, how is it evidence?"
That works against both, particularly religion.

I don't have the luxury of an absence of evidence. That confuses me just about as greatly as it would you. But my evidence is anecdotal, and while it's quite convincing to me, and likes to tailor itself to my needs, which leaves me with very few classes of explanation. There's some form of solipsism, an extreme level of craziness where I've imagined a good deal of my life, and several people, I have some sort of 'supernatural' abilities, or there is some outside force involved, which seemed to identify itself as G_d. That's a tough thing to believe coming from a person, but when it comes from some nonphysical force that's been tossing you around through unusual situations for the past 5 minutes, you're a lot more open to the idea.

Their underlying arguments could be fused together with a little bit of modification in agnosticism.

Chaos is not the same as randomness. You can have plenty of perfectly ordered chaos that would be extremely hard to fully understand.

Falsifying existences is fun.

Grammatical contradictions can be more fun.

Self referential meta-irony is a few fun factors higher.

I blame G_d's apparent sense of humor for the whole religion thing. Through different snippets of information at different people in ambiguous ways and see what they make of it.

Skepticism owns, but it can't be allowed to grow to the point of absolute dismissal. Then it gets to the point of extreme apathy, similar to seniorititis.

The basic answer of where it all came from is theoretically restricted by certain natural units. We can get pretty close, but not quite there.

Free will... A whole different argument there, either way. What on Earth, or otherwise, am I?

The afterlife should not be a concern in our actions now. That's one of those beliefs I was happy to have Judaism share with me. Then there's my whole karma situation, where my crimes seem to have related consequences which are either related, or marked specifically with some absurd string of connected 41's. The whole concept of infinite existence is just about as strange as finite existence, and existence itself. I feign no hypothesis.

The quest for objective truth>religion

If you aren't willing to search for truth, you shouldn't complain about not finding it.

Corruption in any field can destroy it.

editing as more things pop up that I feel the need to comment on. I apologize for the lack of times the comments are in reference to.

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I will watch this later, but I will defer to my sig to show why this question is wholly irrelevant.


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Go figure.

(Still watching.)

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"The fact that I exist is proof enough that god exists", HAH! The moron tried to prove a lot with that moronic statement.

The other idiot time and time again tried to say that the burden of proof is on the atheists, which is obscene. In order to believe something, you have to have proof to believe it. Atheism is a belief based on the lack of proof for a god. Dumbass.

The theists ideas about the arguements were misguided at best, and at worst, they were out-right lieing.

Lemon, the video does not take 22 hours to watch.

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I was kind of annoyed by the audience clapping everytime the Theists asked a question or responded to one.

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Yeah. There was a bit of audience bias. I suppose it's easier to gather a bunch of theists than atheists for a debate on G_d. Even the name of th debate had a theist slant to it.

Lemon occupies a different level of space times that has a time system that does not linearly relate to our own. Or he forgot. I'm giving both theories equal weight for now...

That argument for G_d works only if you use the definition I suggested of being the underlying source of reality. That effectively tells you nothing. It's like saying that I exists because there is a means for me to exist buy. Whoop-de-do. Give me a cookie. At least science makes progress...

The burden of proof is certainly on the theists. Forcing that burden on atheists puts them in the hopeless situation of disproving something that even if it exists, could easily be undetectable.

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Froggy, you are, literally, the only person who believes in god whose ideology I can identify with. You are what I like to refer to as an anomoly. Your belief in god (be it real or not, that's not the subject of this post) is based on what certainly appears to be rational evidence. Unlike the people who say, 'I know god exists because he pulled me through my mother's death', you have had some sort of contact with said god. Your belief is, for all intents and purposes, rational. Can I catch you on AIM at all? I'd like to talk to you about your experiences (well, mostly listen. There will be no rediculing, or blaming them on seizures). I'm just curious. If you're not in a sharing mood, that's okay too.

Sure. You can hit me up on AIM whenever. I do have AP exams coming up, and I still need to complete my last couple of make up assignments from my college visiting, but other than that, I'm fine with it. Second opinions never hurt, especially when the subject is fundamental to your existence...

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