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True... but I mean they are asking for a response and a reason and I am giving them that. I know it won't matter but I might as well.
eh you know have fun with it while you can right.
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Logic? That's rich, 'specially coming from you. I layed out exactly what I have against Christianity, and all you could come up with in response was -

How about, instead of dismissing my post, you address the points I made? That's generally how debates are supposed to go.

I'm just going to give you a little advice. You sound really pretentious, condescending. You'd be much better off if you dropped that.

Oh and I suppose that "Do me a favor and stop posting forever" isnt pretentious?
And My post was not pretentious, I just think that Rebal was lying. I certainly had my opinions formed before i came to these forums, and no post from Angry Agnostics/Atheists Suddenly made me do a complete 180 on what my opinions were.
I really doubt many people at all come in here without some opinions at all, unless they dont care about anything .
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Oh and I suppose that "Do me a favor and stop posting forever" isnt pretentious?
No, it wasn't. And it still holds.
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No, it wasn't. And it still holds.
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WHY I LOVE CATHOLICISM


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It encourages the legislation of morality ―
Here is a list of things you should not do. It would be wrong for you to do them, and it would be wrong for anyone else to do them as well.
1.) It is essentially a positive religion.

Christ came and put the old testament laws into context when he gave the two great commandments.

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And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."
Catholicism, based on scripture and Christ's teaching, is essentially a positive religion. Based on the cultural conditions around us, a lot of the time all we hear from the Church is a list of "don'ts."

The greatest commandment of any follower of Christ is to love, which is far from a "don't."

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It discourages people from thinking for themselves ―
This is where we come from, this is where we're going, and this is what we should do in the meantime. You don't need to figure these things out for yourself.
2.) It encourages people to think.

We could debate the this question quite a bit... but just look at the Jesuits or read something by our current Pope and you'll see what I'm getting at.

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It devalues reason and logic ―
None of this has to make sense, just put your faith in God.
3.) It values reason.

Historically speaking, Catholicism has been one of the only religions to use philosophy, logic and reason when explaining its beliefs, something not found in almost all protestant traditions. (in recent days yes, but back in the day)

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It opposes the quest for knowledge, about ourselves and the world we live in ―
This is why we're here, this is how things work, and you're all lowly creatures who've been put here to worship your creator.
4.) It gives an amazing respect for the world and a drive to understand it.

A Catholic considers himself a steward of creation, and if he takes his faith seriously, he should have a profound respect for the world, and a drive to understand it.

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It focuses on the hereafter at the expense of the now ―
Do not concern yourself with worldly pursuits. You should do these things and refrain from doing these other things if you want to get into Heaven.
5.) Eternal Life.

In the eyes of a Catholic, salvation has already come. We already participate in eternity, be we living and breathing, or five feet under and stuffed in formaldehyde.

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It's one more group for people to put themselves into, which makes for more strife and division among mankind ―
Hold your head up high as a Christian. You'll be rewarded with everlasting bliss, while everyone else will languish in Hell for all eternity.
6.) It is a religion of humility.

A Catholic is called to radical humility. If Catholics live out the Gospel mandate, it is essentially a religion of peace. One needs only to read the lives of Mother Teresa or John Paul II to see what I'm getting at.

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All of this with no basis for its claims whatsoever ―
Evidence isn't necessary. You know this is right because you've got a feeling, or maybe you had a personal revelation. Of course, anybody who claims to have had a personal revelation confirming that a different belief system is correct must be lying or crazy. Probably both.
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-see numbers two and three.

Final Comments Oftentimes it's so easy to see only the negatives of a few radicals and condemn the whole. Believe me, the movie Jesus Camp sickens me perhaps more than you.

Having an open mind requires not focusing on only the bad. I'll be the first to admit that Catholics have been some quite despicable people over the centuries, including myself.

Can you see anything good within Catholicism?
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2.) It encourages people to think.

We could debate the this question quite a bit... but just look at the Jesuits or read something by our current Pope and you'll see what I'm getting at.
I suppose we can't blame the stupidity of some, and the manipulation by others with power on religion alone...
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3.) It values reason.

Historically speaking, Catholicism has been one of the only religions to use philosophy, logic and reason when explaining its beliefs, something not found in almost all protestant traditions. (in recent days yes, but back in the day)
Historically speaking, Catholicism has been one of the biggest threats to scientific discovery, persecuting and condemning scientists for speaking out about things that disagreed with them, for fear of losing power.

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4.) It gives an amazing respect for the world and a drive to understand it.

A Catholic considers himself a steward of creation, and if he takes his faith seriously, he should have a profound respect for the world, and a drive to understand it.
In Judaism, one of the major concepts is T’Kun Olam, to heal and care for the world. Most of the good things you've mentioned have their origins in Judaism, but you kinda acknowledged that above.

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5.) Eternal Life.

In the eyes of a Catholic, salvation has already come. We already participate in eternity, be we living and breathing, or five feet under and stuffed in formaldehyde.
Personally, I think more harm comes from that belief than good. It causes some to ignore now to dream of the future alone. For others, it can scare them into not questioning, or provide a motivation to follow along without a second thought. Those might not be the desired outcomes, but they happen.
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6.) It is a religion of humility.

A Catholic is called to radical humility. If Catholics live out the Gospel mandate, it is essentially a religion of peace. One needs only to read the lives of Mother Teresa or John Paul II to see what I'm getting at.
We can give you that one Most religions that are followed nowadays are mostly peaceful.

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Final Comments Oftentimes it's so easy to see only the negatives of a few radicals and condemn the whole. Believe me, the movie Jesus Camp sickens me perhaps more than you.

Having an open mind requires not focusing on only the bad. I'll be the first to admit that Catholics have been some quite despicable people over the centuries, including myself.

Can you see anything good within Catholicism?
There are good things, but those don't seem to outweigh the negative consequences it has had enough. Just about all of the positive things that religion in general gives could be derived independently.
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I love your beliefs Colostomizer, I agree with everything you have said.
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I don't know what to believe anymore. I feel as if I have to love God to live somewhere else (Heaven).
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You have no clue what christinaty is about you hav never expierenced it so there for don't say things like that about it. It offends many people i think this is just a stupid thread you think christainty is stupid keep it to your self next time
 
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