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quote tags are the best. If you copy over from the quote button, it'll even link to the post in question.

He's also got quite the sense of humor. Never quite gives a straight answer, but comes so tantalizingly close that it just leaves you wondering. But without some sort of evidence, believing in G_d as described by any given religion over any others is a bit silly.
Of course you'd be more skeptical at first. As it stands, there isn't much evidence to be skeptical about. Everything should be treated with a healthy dose of skepticism. It's one of the things that fuels us to find out more.
The concept of hell doesn't make much sense. Why would there be eternal punishment for a finite crime? It's plain silly. A good deal of the Bible covers crime, and associated punishments, and they all seem on the same order of magnitude. If there is a hell, then it will be finite, and in proportion to your crimes. Or at least the latter.
There is a ton of hard evidence for evolution. Also, quite a few tons of that evidence is indeed hard...



Now that you've seen the clever pun of that last line, we can actually observe evolution. We can't observe G_d creating universes.

And all that the existence of the Universe proofs is that there is some underlying form of reality. Sure, we can call that G_d, as you can easily derive many of the things associated with G_d from that, but there are many religious assumptions that that does not justify. Shall we break apart assume?

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Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm the rest of his life.

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You don't go to the Old Testament for scientific truths. Thats just a given.

1 King 7:23 says Pi is equal to 3.
Genesis 1:17 says stars were placed in firmament above earth, as opposed to be large balls of gas miles away.
1 Chronicles 16:30 says that the earth doesn't move.

If you look at the bible at all look for moral guidance. DO NOT quote the bible to say something like that, because there are usually a dozen verses somewhere else in the same damn book that say something different. If you believe otherwise, you're a crazy f..king creationist and should be locked up so you don't teach your kids what you believe.

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i answred the damn question, i don't have to read pointless threads that are debating the existance of god, faith, and oxygen???yeah, eat it.

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wow, bungie. wow.

Then get the f..k out of this forum. You missed the complete point of this thread you ignorant, close-minded sack of sh.t. Take the time to pull your head out of your ass and read something other than the first two posts.

That was the point I was trying to make. This book is the basis of a faith that is followed by over 40% of the world today. People need to realize this.

Yes, cursing will solve all our problems.

If it will rid the world of adults who brainwash children from a very young age to believe "God did it. Period." than I will start cursing a lot more.

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lol, agreed. I shall curse along with you, oh wise mob!

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I somewhat agree, the Bible isn't the most accurate source of scientific information, but then again, that's not its point. It's instructions for life, not a textbook. Once again, the people writing it were not perfect. For the Israelites, 3 isn't a bad estimation for pi. It's only 4.5% different from the actual value. The best Greek mathematicians of the time only had it to 3 or 4 decimal places. The measurement in the Bible for the bowl is just as accurate, 4.5% off.

By the way, what are those dozen other verses? Can you find even 6? For any of the references you mentioned?

By making such biased statements about creationists, you sound irrational and hypocritical. How does looking at the Bible for concrete facts, scientific or not, automatically qualify you as crazy or a creationist? What's wrong about teaching your kids what you believe? In case you didn't notice, that's what people have been doing for thousands of years. Or maybe I just live in a hole. Although you don't explicitly say it, you're implying that creationists are fundamentalists and radicals. Yet you're being just as radical, saying that all creationists should be locked up. People aren't "brainwashed" into accepting creationism. I've seen "a ton of hard evidence" for it, and can send you some, if you really want to see it.

And please, don't resort to cussing. It just shows that you're too lazy to use actual words, and are just trying to make a "harder" point. Ooh, yeah, he must be angry, he cusses, I'd better listen to him. Give me a break. People listen to you a lot more when you don't cuss.

I didn't say you SHOULD look at it for scientific facts. So I say this, and you agree. Because a 'molten sea' ten cubits diameter and thirty cubits circumference is not pi. And then you say we should believe Genesis? Use the Bible as a guide, but God created the Earth in 7 days?

Oh no, you caught me exaggerating. Call the police. I'm not talking specifically, but I'm sure there are many places in the Bible that contradict other places. I'm sure someone out there who needs to prove it to themselves that they aren't going to hell did it already.

I recently saw a video of children being led by fanatical creationists to believe exactly what they believe. I find this VERY wrong. Not necessarily because of what they were being told, but what they were doing. They're raising a bunch of hopeless followers, telling them literally "God said it in the Bible, so its true". How is that good? If you are not raised to question and evaluate anything and then make your OWN informed decision, what is the point of life? But yes, I realize this does not speak for all believers in creationism. I'm pretty sure my sister is creationist, but I don't want to ask. Teaching God's gift of free will and then teaching you to only follow their idea of God is hypocritical and wrong.

I don't care who listens to me. This is a Halo forum. With all sorts of people, most not willing to even listen. I know what I believe. However, I also KNOW that I will probably change my mind within months. When I was 10 I believed in God, and the story of Eden. When I was 13 I believed in evolution and still God, watching over and guiding benevolently. When I was 16 I believed that it was all a lie, but still believed in the idea of god because he's an easy guy to hate. Somewhere in there was atheism. Now I'm almost 20, I don't really think anything (agnostic/apathetic) but I hate the idea of a useless organized entity called the church which does more harm than good for a society. Next week, I may believe in Buddhism. It doesn't matter. I just soak up ideas, facts, form something I can sort of follow and recognize, and attempt to make it to the next day. My situation obviously isn't ideal if you look at it, but I refuse to go back and just rely on someone else to solve my own troubles.

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