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White Rabiit
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those are bad examples

miracles could be descibed as coincidences
ghosts? who said ghosts were real?
i dont know what stigmata is
and exorcism of emily rhodes??? thats a movie that has been exagerated by hollywood

no offense, but those are terrible examples
stigmata is marks resembling the wounds of the crucified body of Christ, that is impressed on the bodies of religiously devouted people such as nuns, devoute(sp?) christians ect.

I personally have never witnessed or even heard about stigmata happening to someone. I however have witnessed first hand people speaking in tounges, incase you dont know what speaking in tounges is I will try to explain it. Basicly its the holy spirit speaking through you or to you (not to you persay but your spirit) in a unknown languge. (or tounge hence "speaking in tounges") From my experiences this will often happen during deep prayer, while listening to christian worship music, or during times of spiritual warfare (I can kinda tell because of the tone of the tounge). An example of a tounge speaking to your spirit (healing your spirit) is softly spoken and is in a sweet voice though while in times of spiritual warfare its a loud and powerfull voice and then there are some that are unknown to me.) Though I have never personally spoken in tounges I have heard my mom, this girl I know, and my mothers friend speak in tounges. So that alone is enough proof for me.

But its not the only reason that I believe. The main reason I believe is because about two years ago I was going through a depression mostly because my mom just divorced my dad who in turn is a crack-head and was never there for me (like leaving his 8 year old son and his family at canadas wonderland (a theme park) untill 2:00 am and forcing them to take a subway to thier grandparents) and during this "depression" I was into to drugs and I turned my back on God because I felt that he had turned his back on me. And you know what? things werent getting any better and I was getting sadder untill one day I got ammonia (who knows how to spell that?) none of the doctors medicines were working and it was getting worse. So my mom came to me as I was going to bed one night and pleaded with me that I pray with her and get repent of my sins and start to believe again so I did, and I repented of my sins and I brooke things off me (in a spiritual sense) and I asked jesus to heal my spirit and I accepted him back into my life and I asked that he cure me of this sickness. Within 3 days I was back to being healthy, I was no longer mad or sad about the things that were happening, and the best of all I was happy again and I was off the drugs. And that is why I KNOW that God is real.
 
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stigmata is marks resembling the wounds of the crucified body of Christ, that is impressed on the bodies of religiously devouted people such as nuns, devoute(sp?) christians ect.

I personally have never witnessed or even heard about stigmata happening to someone. I however have witnessed first hand people speaking in tounges, incase you dont know what speaking in tounges is I will try to explain it. Basicly its the holy spirit speaking through you or to you (not to you persay but your spirit) in a unknown languge. (or tounge hence "speaking in tounges") From my experiences this will often happen during deep prayer, while listening to christian worship music, or during times of spiritual warfare (I can kinda tell because of the tone of the tounge). An example of a tounge speaking to your spirit (healing your spirit) is softly spoken and is in a sweet voice though while in times of spiritual warfare its a loud and powerfull voice and then there are some that are unknown to me.) Though I have never personally spoken in tounges I have heard my mom, this girl I know, and my mothers friend speak in tounges. So that alone is enough proof for me.

But its not the only reason that I believe. The main reason I believe is because about two years ago I was going through a depression mostly because my mom just divorced my dad who in turn is a crack-head and was never there for me (like leaving his 8 year old son and his family at canadas wonderland (a theme park) untill 2:00 am and forcing them to take a subway to thier grandparents) and during this "depression" I was into to drugs and I turned my back on God because I felt that he had turned his back on me. And you know what? things werent getting any better and I was getting sadder untill one day I got ammonia (who knows how to spell that?) none of the doctors medicines were working and it was getting worse. So my mom came to me as I was going to bed one night and pleaded with me that I pray with her and get repent of my sins and start to believe again so I did, and I repented of my sins and I brooke things off me (in a spiritual sense) and I asked jesus to heal my spirit and I accepted him back into my life and I asked that he cure me of this sickness. Within 3 days I was back to being healthy, I was no longer mad or sad about the things that were happening, and the best of all I was happy again and I was off the drugs. And that is why I KNOW that God is real.
That's basically the same crap I hear all the time. You got better. whoop-de fücking do.

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......The human mind can't really grasp these concepts so we try to find a logical answer. And for many people, that logical answer is God.
that is because humans are all stupid...seriouisly ALL of us...

we are insignificant beings that have survived just because of our little knowledge..

we think we know things but we don't..

god doesn't exist. IT is a path for people that don't understand. and if you think that you do understand, you are just fooling yourself.

i don't understand.. but the little knowledge that us humans like myself do have.. i can grasp the fact that it not only makes no sense but that it isn't Possible, science has been proven many-a-times. Unless god or Jesus or whoever wants to talk 1v1 with me or someone wants to give me supported evidence besides stupid books that have been mis-translated multiple times and theories that people think happened... then i might consider the idea of the whole god thing... I voted no.... obviously.
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1)Though I have never personally spoken in tounges I have heard my mom, this girl I know, and my mothers friend speak in tounges. So that alone is enough proof for me.


2)Within 3 days I was back to being healthy, I was no longer mad or sad about the things that were happening, and the best of all I was happy again and I was off the drugs. And that is why I KNOW that God is real.
part1) first off.. All women are crAzy, they were probably on their periodz or something pissed off and making wierd noises... lol

part2) Believe in your doctor, praise him for saving your ass. Their is a resonable explanation for everything.lol

anyhoo.. ur funny
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That's basically the same crap I hear all the time. You got better. whoop-de fücking do.
And if God is not real that why would I have gotten better? Dont try telling me that it was all in my head because for a period of time that is what I believed and thing were not getting better and I was not becoming any happier. I am also curious as to why after being told this many times you still believe its crap?

And as to stealthies post I am going to assume its a joke
 
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And if God is not real that why would I have gotten better? Dont try telling me that it was all in my head because for a period of time that is what I believed and thing were not getting better and I was not becoming any happier. I am also curious as to why after being told this many times you still believe its crap?

And as to stealthies post I am going to assume its a joke
Obviously you don't believe in a human's ability to get better. You got better because if we didn't we would all die of diseases. Our bodies are designed to fight infections. And you can thank the doctor for helping you. I was depressed my whole life up until about a year ago. I let go of God, and my depression started to go away. That's just me. I also took steps to improve my life and make myself a happier person. And the reason I can't believe the story after it has been told over a million times, is because when something doesn't make sense to someone, they just give the credit to God. "God did it." That's just retarded.

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"Obviously you don't believe in a human's ability to get better" Yes I do

"You got better because if we didn't we would all die of diseases" I cant argue that

"Our bodies are designed to fight infections" sometimes medicine helps and in my case God helped

" And you can thank the doctor for helping you." I did help him for helping me even though I did not get better I thanked him because for all I know without him my condition may have worsened much quicker.

"I was depressed my whole life up until about a year ago. I let go of God, and my depression started to go away. That's just me" Same thing would have happened to Job but you dont believe that stupid little book

"And the reason I can't believe the story after it has been told over a million times, is because when something doesn't make sense to someone, they just give the credit to God. "God did it." That's just retarded." You see you have got it all wrong, I THOUGHT it made sense to me. I was sick and I though that soon enough I would get better but after a week of the docters telling me the same thing I was desperate for help and considering that I was going to florida for the holidays in 3 days I really needed extra help so I called on God and what a coincedince I started getting better. So dont say that I giving credit to God when he rightfully deserves it is retarded.
 
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And if God is not real that why would I have gotten better? Dont try telling me that it was all in my head because for a period of time that is what I believed and thing were not getting better and I was not becoming any happier. I am also curious as to why after being told this many times you still believe its crap?

And as to stealthies post I am going to assume its a joke
Only person in every twenty cases of pneumonia dies of it, and that's mostly accounted for by the elderly. We have some pretty nice recovery systems. Perhaps you have a little of the cause and effect mixed up. While you were likely to recover anyways, the sickness served the purpose of making you examine yourself. Whether that's looking at the bright side, or the bright side having made the sight is debatable, though mostly fruitless.

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"Obviously you don't believe in a human's ability to get better" Yes I do

"You got better because if we didn't we would all die of diseases" I cant argue that

"Our bodies are designed to fight infections" sometimes medicine helps and in my case God helped

" And you can thank the doctor for helping you." I did help him for helping me even though I did not get better I thanked him because for all I know without him my condition may have worsened much quicker.

"I was depressed my whole life up until about a year ago. I let go of God, and my depression started to go away. That's just me" Same thing would have happened to Job but you dont believe that stupid little book

"And the reason I can't believe the story after it has been told over a million times, is because when something doesn't make sense to someone, they just give the credit to God. "God did it." That's just retarded." You see you have got it all wrong, I THOUGHT it made sense to me. I was sick and I though that soon enough I would get better but after a week of the docters telling me the same thing I was desperate for help and considering that I was going to florida for the holidays in 3 days I really needed extra help so I called on God and what a coincedince I started getting better. So dont say that I giving credit to God when he rightfully deserves it is retarded.
Don't be dissin' on coincidence (directed to the challenger, not defendant). Just yesterday, when I was working on my MIT CD that I'm planning on helping me get accepted, I stupidly did a lot of work without saving, and then did a command in Flash that caused the program to stop responding. I had broken apart a tremendous text block, which breaks it into letters, and then into shaded regions. Generally, when Flash freezes like that, you have to stop the process and loose your data. After about 5 seconds, I realized that it wasn't too likely that it would recover, so I asked G_d to help me out. The instant I opened my eyes, it unlocked, displaying the broken up text. I undid it, since the purpose of doing it had been to try to avoid freezing. This could easily be coincidence, but the timing, along with several hundred similar events (okay, maybe 20, but still...).

The most impressive thing is the repeatability. I've posted my observations several times before. You cannot pray for something for the sake of proving the existence of G_d. I don't know why, possibly because you're lying to yourself about what you're doing.

Another example on that topic. At night a month or so ago, I questioned G_d about why all the evidence I have is circumstantial, and asked for something more concrete. I looked up to set my alarm clocks, but I only saw one. I looked on the floor for the smaller one, which often falls down. It wasn't there, so I looked back up, confused. I saw it right where it was supposed to have been. I know it must have been there before, but it wouldn't make any sense, since I would've almost touched it to set my other clock. It's grey, and sitting on wood, so it sticks out plenty. Silly perception. I mentally complained about it being something relatively easily explained by some psychological phenomena. He seems to have a soft spot for irony...
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that is because humans are all stupid...seriouisly ALL of us...
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god doesn't exist
Ha ha, that just gave me more reason to believe.

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I however have witnessed first hand people speaking in tounges, incase you dont know what speaking in tounges is I will try to explain it. Basicly its the holy spirit speaking through you or to you (not to you persay but your spirit) in a unknown languge. (or tounge hence "speaking in tounges")
When people 'speak in toungues', as you put it, they are either faking it, or they are having what's know as a, seizure (when people claim they are speaking to god, or being abducted by aliens, and they are in the middle of a seizure, the seizure can be defined as being in the Temporal Lobe of the brain. This can give the illusion of bright lights, and a strange and ominous voice speaking). You SHOULD NOT let them spasm on the ground - you need to take them to a doctor! The longer you wait, the longer their risk for long term brain damamge becomes. Speaking in tounges is a bunch of superstitious nonsense.

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From my experiences this will often happen during deep prayer, while listening to christian worship music, or during times of spiritual warfare (I can kinda tell because of the tone of the tounge).
Uh, people with Epilepsy have seizures all the time - not just during prayer.

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An example of a tounge speaking to your spirit (healing your spirit) is softly spoken and is in a sweet voice though while in times of spiritual warfare its a loud and powerfull voice and then there are some that are unknown to me.)
The tone of the 'tounge' being spoken is indicitive of the illusion the brain is creating. Some people have extremely scary experiences, while others have soothing ones. Seizures aren't divine my friend - they are malfunctions in the brain.

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Though I have never personally spoken in tounges I have heard my mom, this girl I know, and my mothers friend speak in tounges. So that alone is enough proof for me.
You need to get all of those people to the doctor, fast.

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But its not the only reason that I believe. The main reason I believe is because about two years ago I was going through a depression mostly because my mom just divorced my dad who in turn is a crack-head and was never there for me (like leaving his 8 year old son and his family at canadas wonderland (a theme park) untill 2:00 am and forcing them to take a subway to thier grandparents) and during this "depression" I was into to drugs and I turned my back on God because I felt that he had turned his back on me. And you know what? things werent getting any better and I was getting sadder untill one day I got ammonia (who knows how to spell that?)
Do you mean Pneumonia? Because this is an actual problem - Ammonia is a gas (NH3).

Look, I feel for you, but what you went through seems petty compared to what many others have gone through.

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none of the doctors medicines were working and it was getting worse.
What hillbilly doctors were you going to!? I'm a first year med-student and I've diagnosed and treated TWO cases of severe Pneumonia!

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So my mom came to me as I was going to bed one night and pleaded with me that I pray with her and get repent of my sins and start to believe again so I did, and I repented of my sins and I brooke things off me (in a spiritual sense) and I asked jesus to heal my spirit and I accepted him back into my life and I asked that he cure me of this sickness. Within 3 days I was back to being healthy, I was no longer mad or sad about the things that were happening, and the best of all I was happy again and I was off the drugs. And that is why I KNOW that God is real.
It's sounds awefully placebo to me, and honestly, it doesn't seem like anything special. I'm an atheist, and have never believed in god, and I've pulled myself out of WAY bigger holes than you were in...YOU, not god, had anything to do with your turn-around.
 
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Its awfuly coincedental that people go into siezures during prayer and such. Would you be able to tell me who long people often go into seizures for because these "seizures" are pretty quick and they are pretty fine after it them. And I dont think any of the people I told you about are epilepitic but of course I dont know for sure. Also I know that people have it way worse than I do but that doesnt change all the hardships and hurt that I have had to go through and I guess the fact that I was unable to pull my self out of the "hole" I was in without God while you were able to pull your self out of much bigger holes without God means that I am weaker than you. But once again, what does that change?
 
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