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  #11 (permalink) Default 11-09-2007
 
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Leave please. You're clearly adding a lot to the conversation. Somehow, Achilles' citing of a statistic that I already knew "pwns" me. Achilles' list is also from 1997. A lot has changed in 10 years.
Lets keep this in the debate section.
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Now I understand that this is not the debate section and I really cannot rag on you for your sources . . . but come on. Cato????

You want to link statistics found from a site like that.

I will then counter with:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/

If you want to use real statistics from actually realistic sources in your next reply, I will really appreciate it.

(I hate the word pwn)
What about my sources weren't "Real?" The writer of that piece, Michael Tanner, constantly performs studies on public health care and welfare. He knows what he's talking about. Many facts in Sicko are discussed in this article. For example:

SiCKO:
1.) 18,000 Americans will die this year simply because they're uninsured.

2.) There are nearly 50 million Americans without health insurance. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention actually reported that 54.5 million people were uninsured for at least part of the year. Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates from the National Health Interview Survey, 2006. Centers for Disease Control. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/ea...nsur200706.pdf

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Moore frequently refers to the 47 million Americans without health insurance, but fails to point out that most of those are uninsured for only brief periods, or that millions are already eligible for government programs like Medicaid but fail to apply. Moreover, he implies that people without health insurance don’t receive health care. In reality, as Michael Cannon and I have pointed out, most do. Hospitals are legally obligated to provide care regardless of ability to pay, and while physicians do not face the same legal requirements, few are willing to deny treatment because a patient lacks insurance. Treatment for the uninsured may well mean financial hardship, but by and large they do receive care.
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i've seen that movie, i was angry after i watched it. you see half truth in moore's films, but it's still truth nonetheless
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Lets keep this in the debate section.
Gotcha. Sorry for that post I just did, I didn't read this one while typing it.
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Finally got the chance to see this movie, and I really gotta say that I'm still slightly awestruck. While the film is not perfect, and does have a somewhat misleading message at some parts, it really does get the point across. The part about the small child that ends up "expiring" due to the health insurance company forcing to have her transferred to an "accepted" hospital left me almost dumbfounded.

I don't care how much you hate Michael Moore...I don't care if you're left-wing, right-wing, or a f..king anarchist...this movie made all the sense in the world. The fact that everytime he went to a different country, they would literally laugh at the American system really sums it up. How is it even remotely POSSIBLE that we have let money...f..king money for people that already have enough of it in the first god damn place take a better hierarchical position than LIFE?! I was really naive to this problem until this film, and quite frankly, it has left me steaming.
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Bumped because I watched this, and I think everyone should watch this movie.

If we are supposedly the #1 nation in the world, how come a 3rd world country like Cuba has better health care then us...

I will be 100% honest right now, after seeing this movie, it made me not want to live in America anymore.
 
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Canada has a free universal health care system which has good and bad things about it.
Good - Well it's Free!
Bad - It can take months to have surgery and the amount of doctors and equipment is ridiculously low.
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Well I certainly don't want Hospitals to work like the DMV, so f*ck all you jackasses that would rather live in Cuba.
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markedachilles is actually wrong ZOMG.
 
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