Originally Posted by Scragg

a lot of scientists refer to the bible sort of as a geological MAP, which they use to find ancient artifacts, such scrolls and ancient temples, it has worked SOO well for them, not only that but the bible has perdicted many outcomes in history that have already occured..the bible/GOD say the bible is 100% correct so if scientists already proved that some of it is correct well...you do the math!

This is not a thread to discuss whether the bible is valid or not.

We are discussing the facts behind Evolution. How did it become a fact form a theory. Like I said, in a 100,000 million years will know the truth.

Originally Posted by Scragg

a lot of scientists refer to the bible sort of as a geological MAP, which they use to find ancient artifacts, such scrolls and ancient temples, it has worked SOO well for them, not only that but the bible has perdicted many outcomes in history that have already occured..the bible/GOD say the bible is 100% correct so if scientists already proved that some of it is correct well...you do the math!

Wrong thread. Unprovable, untestable and other crazy thoughts go in the Religion section.

According to UC Berkeley, Biological evolution, simply put, is "...descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations)."

Additionally, all current lifeforms have evolved from common ancestors of the past. We determine common ancestors by DNA analysis, psychological and physical traits. Evolution assumes form from natural circumstances such as climate change and predation.

Evolution, however, is NOT a result of intelligent design / a "creator". Intelligent design is simply hypothetical without scientific backing because it begs to question whether the creator exists or not? There's no way of knowing. Sure, the idea of intelligent design is easy to understand since lifeforms are so specifically designed that they can only be created by a being on a higher metaphysical level, but it's impossible to determine that, and that's why intelligent design is a complete farse.

^^^^^ ok. . . but do you have any questions about it?

I have found some work being done on simple RNA systems that replicate without protein help or products. They are catalyzed by Zinc. No need for any proteins, enzymes etc. This would be a siimple model for the beginning of life. The problem right now with it is the power source, ATP would of been unstable in an early earth environment so an alternative form of power would of been needed.

Yeah but they are not as complex as proteins. Just cause they can replicate without ptrotein help doesn't mean our human genome evolved in such a way.

Originally Posted by ekattan

Yeah but they are not as complex as proteins. Just cause they can replicate without ptrotein help doesn't mean our human genome evolved in such a way.

They are much more complex than proteins. They can act like proteins and make proteins. Fold just like them, modified just like them only in more detail.

I just found the research and was reading about it and thought it was interesting, it is all speculation at an origin mechanism.

Evolution is a terrible excuse that scientists have come up with so we don't have to believe that there is a god. Basically, the main point of the evoltution theory is that there was a one celled organisim, lightning or some outside force struck it, and it magically became two celled, three celled, and so on. To the average student or human being, it is easily believeable. But to a college scholar, or unbiased scientist, there is no possible way the current humans could of evolved that way. It is like saying that that in two hundred million years, the layer of dust on the top shelf of your cupoard is going to become a hairy, strong ape. It is absurd. The fact is, is that God created Adam and Eve, and they had children, who had children, who had children. Now you're probably telling yourself that ok, there is no way that from two people 6 thousand years ago, that there could be 6 billion people now. There is, and here's how. A recent study done by Harvard University showed that when a brother and sister reproduce they have an 85% of having a mentally handicapped child. It is illegal in many states now to have kids with your sibling. Everybody in the early stages of the earth obviously had to have kids with their brothers and sisters, so wouldn't everybody be mentally retarded if the bible is true? Wrong. Read the book of Genesis one more time and you'll find that nobody had a child until they were well into their nineties or even past one hundred. The Harvard study said that after the age of 55, there is less than a 3% chance that a brother and sister will have a handicapped child. That's why we are not all braindead knuckleheads. Every heard of "Lucy," the infamous pre historic "Man." Bet you didn't know this about her: they found only three parts of her, all at least 3 miles apart from each other. They had nothing to link the body part she had to make her walk upright to the rest of her body. They linked it all together just to come up with a sorry excuse for evolution.

I argued this evolution topic one time on a plain with a Yale University professor. He tried to tell me that there were so many facts that proved evolution and that creation was just a lame idea that only Jesus lovers believed in it. He told me his theory of the big bang and this is what I told him. "Sir, do you realize that the big bang theory couldn't of happened? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the theory state that everything in the universe converged and starts spinning really fast in one small ball?" He says yes, and I replay,"When something is spinning very fast and an explosion occurs, a.k.a. the big bang, everything that is broken off continues to spin in that same direction that the small, converged ball does, correct?" He says yes, and then I say,"Then why do we have planets spinning in different directions." He didn't say another word, and got up and left. Another time when I argued with a scientist he was giving me his theory on the one celled organism that evolved into the humans we have today. In the middle of him talking, I took his watch (a $550 one) and smashed it on the table. He yells at me and I say, if your theory is true, put that in a container and in a few thosand years it will be a watch again. Ever since then he has been an avid creationist.

I hope you guys read this and really look at it. Don't let them brainwash your minds with evolution. I'm not saying I know exactly how Earth and human life was created, but I know for a FACT that it was not evolution.

Thank you and Good night.

Edit: My brother posted this.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you on an acid trip?

If you don't know anything about it, don't talk about it.

Originally Posted by II Br@ss II

In the middle of him talking, I took his watch (a $550 one) and smashed it on the table. He yells at me and I say, if your theory is true, put that in a container and in a few thosand years it will be a watch again. Ever since then he has been an avid creationist.

I pity the scientist who gives up science for that...

Evolution has come a long way since Darwin. We know we are not direct descendants of Apes. We also know for a fact that genetic mutation occurs. We've manipulated genentics. We have caused fruits and vegetables to be larger and sweeter for our own consumption through selective breeding, along with other processes. Evolution occurs, and we can watch it. We have messed with it. We even have a good ideal on how it can occur. We do not know how life began, though we're working on that.

Do you believe that G_d is entirely irrational? That He could not create a system that makes sense? Science does not deny religion. Religion tries to deny science. Although that's not quite true... Some religious people try to deny science.

It makes a lot of sense for evolution to occur. Of course humans are going to mess with the environment, and even if they don't, the system changes. Things must be able to adapt. Mutations allow for adaptation. Instead of dieing out, life can slowly spread.

The bible does not gointo detail about how everything was accomplished. It is not a cookbook by which to create our own universe. Disbelieveing science due to old interpratations set up by a power-hungry organization that would do almost anything to preserve its power doesn't seem all that wise.

gah.... This is why we have seperation of church and state... The church has historically prevented progress and taken away from our knowledge of the workings of the physical world.