i think abortion is smelly, so i don't want to have any part of it.

Originally Posted by boonior

Now you're being completely off. Your analogy of comparing that "glob of tissue" to every single cell in our body, that was not even based to what I was saying. The tissue that is being formed in the mothers womb is uniquely different than any other tissue within the body. At even less than 12 weeks of gestation, the fetus is incredibly complex and human. It is nowhere near our developed state but it is clearly different from other types of tissue, but it's still a human being with rights. You may think this sounds absurd but what I mean by "rights", it should have the right to live. Everyone should have the right to live.

Yeah, it's a human without a brain. If someone's head were cut off, the body could be kept alive - would you give that person the same rights as a person with a head (and, consequently, a brain).

I believe the reason people call for abortion to be legal is, simply put, selfishness. The abortion occurs as the mother (maybe under other's pressure) does not want the baby. Others do not want to feel the guilt of not picking up the pieces to help an unwanted baby. They selfishly want to spend their money on themselves and their wants rather than to sacrifice some for unwanted or unsupported babies. The mother puts her own wants above the baby's needs. In this day of birth control, she forgot to 'choose' abstinence or birth control. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape. Also, I discovered an interesting point that was on the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Selfishness!? Isn't it selfish to give birth to a baby that's addicted to crack, and then make it homeless for the rest of it's life? If you say anything except yes, than your moral code needs serious examination.

What about a woman that's raped? She didn't have that kid by choice.

That passage in the Declaration of Indepence has little relevance to something without a brain, doesn't it?

Often, we cannot judge appropriately for our own lives, much less others' lives. Sometimes I say God knows best when to take a life, often when we do not understand why. Seeing these truths, seeing examples of abortion stories error in judgement as to what is the best way to handle 'unwanted' or what they felt was unhappy, difficult, lives helped me to fall back to the obvious conclusion: We make life, we have no business shortening what we have started.

Like I said before, a human being is a lot different that human tissue. Differentiating the two is important when considering abortion.

By the way, are you pro-war or anti-war?

Originally Posted by Robert T Pooner

i think abortion is smelly, so i don't want to have any part of it.

You a childish, inmatue f..k. This is a very important matter we are talking about and your being an inmature brat.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair
Selfishness!? Isn't it selfish to give birth to a baby that's addicted to crack, and then make it homeless for the rest of it's life? If you say anything except yes, than your moral code needs serious examination.

What about a woman that's raped? She didn't have that kid by choice.

That passage in the Declaration of Indepence has little relevance to something without a brain, doesn't it?

What I meant by "selfishness" is the woman is blinded by her own needs. Sure, her needs are important, but when it comes to saving her childs life. The woman should let the baby live, but she is too swirled with her wants instead of saving her child.

I had a feeling someone was going to mention "rape". I know and everyone knows that rape is an awful and horrible thing. It's hard to say sometimes if a woman is pregnant with a strangers child (through rape). I ponder deeply about this and it really strikes me hard. But to me, every child deserves to live, even if it is through rape. I ask God what people should do if something like this happens, but my solution came to this: They (infant or child) can all be loved and they deserve that, even if it is by strangers.

My relation to the Declaration of Independence was referring that every child should live. It sort of opposes abortion in a way, by giving everyone a right to live; which it says "...endowed by their creator..." I didn't mean to confuse the brain with the Declaration of Independence. My fault, I was just showing an interesting thing I found opposing abortion.

You asked me if I'm pro-war or anti-war? I'm pro-war for now. I know the issue in Iraq is absurd to a lot of Americans, but I have a father down there right now, fighting for his life and his country. Also, I'm Conservative, very Conservative.

I am against abortion. Even if the couple made a mistake and can't afford it they can put the baby up for adoption. Killing something is wrong in my eyes.

Originally Posted by boonior

What I meant by "selfishness" is the woman is blinded by her own needs. Sure, her needs are important, but when it comes to saving her childs life. The woman should let the baby live, but she is too swirled with her wants instead of saving her child.

You totally missed the point. The woman isn't blinded by her needs, she's taking into account the baby's needs. You COMPLETELY bi-passed the part of my refutation where I mentioned the fact that a lot of babies are born addicted to crack (and other drugs).

I had a feeling someone was going to mention "rape". I know and everyone knows that rape is an awful and horrible thing. It's hard to say sometimes if a woman is pregnant with a strangers child (through rape). I ponder deeply about this and it really strikes me hard. But to me, every child deserves to live, even if it is through rape. I ask God what people should do if something like this happens, but my solution came to this: They (infant or child) can all be loved and they deserve that, even if it is by strangers.

So your advocating that many children should be born with AIDs, Hepatitis, and other diseases? Your condeming those children to a horrible death.

My relation to the Declaration of Independence was referring that every child should live. It sort of opposes abortion in a way, by giving everyone a right to live; which it says "...endowed by their creator..." I didn't mean to confuse the brain with the Declaration of Independence. My fault, I was just showing an interesting thing I found opposing abortion.

How is that in opposition of abortion? All you did was construe what the words said, and used it for your own purposes. The authors of the Declaration of Indepence said nothing about abortion.

You asked me if I'm pro-war or anti-war? I'm pro-war for now. I know the issue in Iraq is absurd to a lot of Americans, but I have a father down there right now, fighting for his life and his country.

Wait a second, you just completely contradicted yourself. You said in your previous post that humans had no right to pre-maturely end the life of another human - yet your pro-war. In case you didn't notice, those two things don't go together. You advocated the killing of people as long as it fits your adgenda. You sir, are a hipocrite.

Also, I'm Conservative, very Conservative.

Nah, really?

Do know that in America since abortion has been legalized that about 42 million abortion's have taken place in this country? I never hear that number hardly dicussed by pro-choice people.

Originally Poste by TooMuchButtHair
You totally missed the point. The woman isn't blinded by her needs, she's taking into account the baby's needs. You COMPLETELY bi-passed the part of my refutation where I mentioned the fact that a lot of babies are born addicted to crack (and other drugs).

Yaaawwn. First, the mother is addicted to crack not the baby (how the hell can you say that). Sure, there may be errors in the baby, but does not conclude that the baby is a "crack head". Secondly, you cannot determine a person's future, whether that person is going to be homeless or not. Maybe that baby could possibly be a great/successful person. You cannot generalize that baby's outcome of his/her life.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair
So your advocating that many children should be born with AIDs, Hepatitis, and other diseases? Your condeming those children to a horrible death.

No. The situation of a lady getting raped and pregnant is less than f..king 3%(Do your research). You need to look at the generalization of why woman have abortion. The main reason is people being careless about sex. Not putting a condom on, birth control pills, poor decision with the opposite sex. Because of that, they don't take responsible for their own actions. So, they raise up dumb excuses to kill there baby; which makes them selfish. The best solution, is to have the baby and adopt it. Why take a life? When you can give a life?

Also, what's funny about what you said. You made a stupid point why we should kill it. This could also apply to Handicap people. They're disabled, can't really support themselves or whatever. I guess we should kill them too. Or the blind, the paralyzed, people missing body parts whatever! You make a stupid example which could apply to everything. You just try to create dumb arguments against me, but don't use true facts or worse. You just raise different examples to why abortion should be allowed. Democrats and Liberals complain too much, they don't use there knowledge to help others. All they do is make excuses and don't take action, and instead of looking at the broader side, they understate it. You sir are not logical, but confused.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair
Wait a second, you just completely contradicted yourself. You said in your previous post that humans had no right to pre-maturely end the life of another human - yet your pro-war. In case you didn't notice, those two things don't go together. You advocated the killing of people as long as it fits your adgenda. You sir, are a hipocrite.

Wow! War and Abortion are two completely different things! War is something you do to fight for your country and that involves killing people. Abortion involves a unborn child and a mother killing her unborn child. Obviously, you don't understand the two. War and Abortion are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS! If your a Democrat or Liberal (both are the same) you couldn't see the difference. This is what makes me laugh. You can't see the difference, but yet you still believe that they are in comparison, and still call me a hipocrite. Get your stuff right buddy.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair
How is that in opposition of abortion? All you did was construe what the words said, and used it for your own purposes. The authors of the Declaration of Indepence said nothing about abortion.

Have you've ever read the Declaration of Independence? Do you know the importance of it? Do you know why it's soo symbolic to this nation? The Declaration of Independence applies to Abortion in this way. IT GIVES THE RIGHT FOR EVERYONE TO LIVE and blah blah blah, which opposes abortion, because it doesn't give the baby the right to live. Also, I know that the Declaration of Independence doesn't literally say nothing about abortion (that is very obvious), but it lays down the rights for human beings; which explains why abortion should be abolished. It doesn't the allow the baby the right to live! Didn't you understand the analogy I was trying to point out before!? Do you not understand? At least something? I shouldn't have to re-explain myself any further.

Orginally Posted by TooMuchButtHair
Nah, really?

Nah, you think?

PS: Either way, I'm not going to convince you or others, that abortion is wrong. Obviously, everyone is going to be for it or against it. We could argue everday, but not resolve anything. Apparently, you or others do not understand the importance of life. Have you seen what they do in the process of abortion? It's not killing, it's strictly murder. Do tell me it sickens you, if it doesn't. You have no soul.

Originally Posted by llcontrall

Do know that in America since abortion has been legalized that about 42 million abortion's have taken place in this country? I never hear that number hardly dicussed by pro-choice people.

Yeah, I agree. That is an amazing number, but its what the parents feel is best so...

Originally Posted by I So SicK I

Yeah, I agree. That is an amazing number, but its what the parents feel is best so...

not really people who get abortions are amoral scumbags. i mean if you didn't want to get pregnant all you gotta do is go to the planned parenthood and get a day after pill. it works like up to a week after. i hate poeple who have them.