Im pro choice, let the mother decide... its not upto anyone else, but the mother.

Originally Posted by xM1LkMaNx

I dont like abortion, i just believe that killing an innocent child is bad and is wrong, if the parent cant afford to have the child then she/he can give it to foster care. I dont think killing a child that has just taken a breath should be killed, its sad i think.

Killing babies is wrong, but abortion IS NOT KILLING BABIES! It's the destruction of tissue. For f..k sake, a tad pole is about 1,000 times more developed than aborted tissue.

Originally Posted by boonior

I'm against abortion. If you know the circumstances of sex and what it can lead to, then you are risking something that you are gambling with. If you get a girl pregnant or vice versa, then it is your fault to live with. Abortion is just another excuse to kill a living being, it's wrong, just like assistant suicide. People argue that it's (the baby) just in the process or stages of developing into a baby. What!? It's still a human being, whether it's "still in the process" or not. A life should be valued not taken away by one's wrong of inability to support it or fault. Also, have you seen what they do in the process of Abortion!? It's inhumane, vile and completely wrong. Those babies are people too, we kill there right to live. The first and most fundamental of all human rights is the right to life, and that when this right is denied all other rights are threatened. Society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members; and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying.

PS: Ever consider Adopting after the baby is born? If you cannot afford to support it, then adopt it.

Explain why a glob of tissue has rights. If that glob of tissue has rights, than every single cell in your body should have the same rights as that aborted tissue. We could take the DNA from the nucleus of any cell in your body and stick it into an egg cell and have a human being - by your convoluted definition anyway. If you want to be natural about it, than every single sperm in your body has the potential to be a baby. Where are there rights? Your being a bit hypocritical.

Originally Posted by ganksta child

No, if a woman is pregnant, she doesn't have to do anything but stay alive and the baby will be born. If I just sit here, kepping my self alive, a baby will not be born and I am not killing anything.

Wrong. A woman has to do a lot more than just stay alive. She has to take proper care of it; she has to properly feed it; and keep herself out of harm's way. That's not nearly as easy as you make it sound. If you were a woman, and pregnant, would you be prepared to stay static for 9 months and eat good enough to have a healthy baby? It might sound easy, but it's really not.

Originally Posted by Cursed Lemon

Do you know how many kids actually get adopted?

Less than 100,000, I believe. There are millions of kids still waiting to be adopted.

Originally Posted by The Colostomizer

Every sperm cell in your underdeveloped, not-yet-descended nutsack is a potential human being. Potential meaning not yet a human being. Early enough in the pregnancy, unborn babies are also potential human beings. There is a point before which they aren't human, and after which they are. What do you think qualifies a mass of cells as a human being?

Exactly. A human being should have a cortex, right? What 'separates' us from a dog is our large cortex (really, the frontal lobe of the cortex does most of our higher thinking). Without a cortex, it's, more or less, just a glob of human tissue.

Interesting side note:

I used to do experiments on tadpoles developing in an anti-gravity state. It was a grant through NASA for embryo development in space. Their Neural Crest cells develop abnormally and you get messed up tadpoles with no eyes but super ears and some had abnormal limb development.

Just thought of that for some reason. . . .

Originally Posted by MarkedAchilles

Interesting side note:

I used to do experiments on tadpoles developing in an anti-gravity state. It was a grant through NASA for embryo development in space. Their Neural Crest cells develop abnormally and you get messed up tadpoles with no eyes but super ears and some had abnormal limb development.

Just thought of that for some reason. . . .

weeeeeeeeeeird...

on topic...I think the mother should decide if she wants the kid or not...she may not like the guy that got her pregnant...or she may not be ready to have a kid...its not like the embryo is going to feel any pain..

"I'm against abortion. If you know the circumstances of sex and what it can lead to, then you are risking something that you are gambling with. If you get a girl pregnant or vice versa, then it is your fault to live with. Abortion is just another excuse to kill a living being, it's wrong, just like assistant suicide. People argue that it's (the baby) just in the process or stages of developing into a baby. What!? It's still a human being, whether it's "still in the process" or not. A life should be valued not taken away by one's wrong of inability to support it or fault. Also, have you seen what they do in the process of Abortion!? It's inhumane, vile and completely wrong. Those babies are people too, we kill there right to live. The first and most fundamental of all human rights is the right to life, and that when this right is denied all other rights are threatened. Society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members; and among the most vulnerable are surely the unborn and the dying.

PS: Ever consider Adopting after the baby is born? If you cannot afford to support it, then adopt it."

Don't you mean put it up for adoption?

"A life should be valued not taken away by one's wrong of inability to support it or fault."

Exactly, A life should be valued. If the person who is going to give life to the child isn't going to value it, why even put it through the misery? Suicide exists for a reason. Chances are, if a baby is abused and neglected when it is younger it will have some kind of issue.

Do you have any idea the ratio of kids in adoption agencies who stay there and never get adopted to kids who actually are adopted? I don't know the exact statistics but I beleive its somewhere around 10/1.

I agree with abortion, because well these parents probably aren't fit to raise a child for whatever reason, and don't want to put the baby through hell. It makes sense.

Originally Posted by xX KaM1KazE

I agree with abortion, because well these parents probably aren't fit to raise a child for whatever reason, and don't want to put the baby through hell. It makes sense.

Yeah but it is just morally wrong and evil. Any 2 parents could easily just put thier baby up for adoption, and not just kill it. A living baby is always better than a killed baby. Anyone can say thier sh.t like it's good for science research etc. Well that doesn't matter, b/c the point is, killing somthing like a baby is just wrong, when the baby could've easily been adopted and happily raised by another caring family.

Originally Posted by Zealot24

Yeah but it is just morally wrong and evil. Any 2 parents could easily just put thier baby up for adoption, and not just kill it. A living baby is always better than a killed baby. Anyone can say thier sh.t like it's good for science research etc. Well that doesn't matter, b/c the point is, killing somthing like a baby is just wrong, when the baby could've easily been adopted and happily raised by another caring family.

The foetus is removed, no babies are killed. It's not yet living, it's just tissue.

Originally Posted by TooMuchButtHair
Explain why a glob of tissue has rights. If that glob of tissue has rights, than every single cell in your body should have the same rights as that aborted tissue. We could take the DNA from the nucleus of any cell in your body and stick it into an egg cell and have a human being - by your convoluted definition anyway. If you want to be natural about it, than every single sperm in your body has the potential to be a baby. Where are there rights? Your being a bit hypocritical.

Now you're being completely off. I wasn't being hypocritical. I was being logical. Your analogy of comparing a "glob of tissue" to every single cell in our body was not even based to what I was saying. The tissue that is being formed in the mothers womb is uniquely different than any other tissue within the body. At even less than 12 weeks of gestation, the fetus is incredibly complex and human. It is nowhere near our developed state but it is clearly different from other types of tissue, but it's still a human being with rights. You may think this sounds absurd but what I mean by "rights", it should have the right to live. Everyone should have the right to live.

I believe one of the reasons people call for abortion to be legal is, simply put, selfishness. The abortion occurs as the mother (maybe under other's pressure) does not want the baby. Others do not want to feel the guilt of not picking up the pieces to help an unwanted baby. They selfishly want to spend their money on themselves and their wants rather than to sacrifice some for unwanted or unsupported babies. The mother puts her own wants above the baby's needs. In this day of birth control, she forgot to 'choose' abstinence or birth control. Why doesn't anyone expose that the reason for an abortion is simply selfishness? The mother's 'choice' is simply what inconvenience she wants to escape. Also, I discovered an interesting point that was on the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Often, we cannot judge appropriately for our own lives, much less others' lives. Sometimes I say God knows best when to take a life, often when we do not understand why. Seeing these truths, seeing examples of abortion stories error in judgement as to what is the best way to handle unwanted or what they felt was unhappy, difficult, lives helped me to fall back to the obvious conclusion: We make life, we have no business shortening what we have started.

Originally Posted by Guernica

I am 100% for abortion, up to a certain point in the pregnancy.

Why you ask? A person shouldn't have to suffer just becasue their parents made a mistake and couldn't fix it. Not every parent is going to be able to provide for there children well, or even want too. And chances are that if they want an abortion in the first place but can't get it, they wont even want the child and will treat it bad. I know, not everyone will, and I have no statitistics to back me up, but its common sense. You have to realize that not every baby that is born will even make it to grow up and be able to provide for themself. Babies are left in dumpsters and starved to death ALL the time, all only because there parents didn't want them. Would you rather have 100 dead fetuses or 100 suffering children who aren't fed or cared for?

"But you can't don't have the right to take away someone life"
Yes, and you also don't have the right to speak for them and say they would even want a life like that.


I feel a baby shouldn't have to suffer becaue the parents make mistakes, it isn't right.


"Abortion is just an easy way out of a pregnancy, a mistake that you made"
People aren't perfect. Not even close. They make mistakes, errors, have flaws. You have made mistakes before in your life, and you had the chance to fix them, why should this be any different?
Whew, just had to get my opinions out there.

I would have to agree with 100%, you wrote that full-heartedly and I respect that. I agree with you on all that.